18 thoughts on “Raw data: Sea ice and ocean temps in 2023”
cmayo
We fucked, fam.
Eve
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jvoe
Don't buy property near water, and if you own some, move.
rick_jones
Judging by the chart one sees at https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent it would seem that 2023 is not "as bad" as 2012, 2019 and 2020? Cold comfort (as it were).
Not sure if I am mis-interpreting the chart at that URL, but it leaves me wondering why there aren't equally deviating lines for those three years in the first chart here.
...a bit more back and forth... and I see that the chart one gets at the URL defaults to Arctic sea ice and the chart here is Antarctic. (Insert Emily Litella reference here)
Sure enough, switching to Antarctic at the URL shows a different picture. Interestingly enough, it also shows 2014, 2013, and 2012 as the three years with the highest extent of Antarctic sea ice.
Andrew
2012 was a bit of an anomaly as a large summer storm in the arctic lead to a record low that hasn't been beaten (yet). What's more worrying is the disappearance of multiyear ice. For example, the proportion of 4+ year old ice has gone from 30% in the '80s to below 5% now.
sonofthereturnofaptidude
All the "rugged individualism" and "market-based solutions" in the world won't be enough to deal with the effects of climate change.
different_name
That sure looks like something that used to be an effective feedback loop recently broke.
doktorwise
I don't think it's insane, I think it's terrifying. Can you say "tipping point"?
cmayo
Already tipped!
golack
El Nino feeds into this somewhat...but yeah....
Oh, look, shipping lanes!!!
Goosedat
Working hard to produce surpluses for the top 1% of income earners is insane and also destroys the biosphere.
Justin
It's too late to stop it. It was too late to stop it 50 years ago as near as I can tell. Anyway... it's been a nice summer here in Michigan so far.
D_Ohrk_E1
Global time series of surface and land temperatures. Select for just land temperatures and see what happens.
But also, do you really think we have 17 years left to stop climate change?
cmayo
Maybe negative-17 years...
Vog46
D-Ohrk
101F off the coast of Florida is really being in (pardon the pun) uncharted waters
That water has to cool and will get swept up into the North Atlantic where is will lose it's heat, regain it's salinity and sink to a lower level. But that heat has to go somewhere and THAT is the problem.
It could shut down that NA current and that would be a disaster. The question I have is the current shut down a "one off" event or will that trigger even more calamities?
I'm old and always expected to be dead when all this happened but now? I'm not so sure that I will be gone by the time it happens.........
bebopman
This was insane decades ago, when we refused to do anything to prevent it or at least ease the impact. It was “imaginary “ for so long. “Look! It’s snowing today. There is no global warming.”
Caramba
no worries, God has a plan for the true believers..
n1cholas
The Limits to Growth, published in 1972 (51 years ago) already went over all of this.
It was too late 51 years ago, and societal collapse is already ongoing.
But, go ahead and whistle past that graveyard and ignore what smart people have been saying for more than half a century - we need to burn more of the Earth's finite resources faster or else GDP might go negative and affect shareholder wealth.
We fucked, fam.
Real on the web home based work to make more than $14k. Last month I made $15738 from this home job. Very simple and easy to do and procuring from this are just awesome. For more detail visit the given interface.. http://incomebyus.blogspot.com
Don't buy property near water, and if you own some, move.
Judging by the chart one sees at https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent it would seem that 2023 is not "as bad" as 2012, 2019 and 2020? Cold comfort (as it were).
Not sure if I am mis-interpreting the chart at that URL, but it leaves me wondering why there aren't equally deviating lines for those three years in the first chart here.
...a bit more back and forth... and I see that the chart one gets at the URL defaults to Arctic sea ice and the chart here is Antarctic. (Insert Emily Litella reference here)
Sure enough, switching to Antarctic at the URL shows a different picture. Interestingly enough, it also shows 2014, 2013, and 2012 as the three years with the highest extent of Antarctic sea ice.
2012 was a bit of an anomaly as a large summer storm in the arctic lead to a record low that hasn't been beaten (yet). What's more worrying is the disappearance of multiyear ice. For example, the proportion of 4+ year old ice has gone from 30% in the '80s to below 5% now.
All the "rugged individualism" and "market-based solutions" in the world won't be enough to deal with the effects of climate change.
That sure looks like something that used to be an effective feedback loop recently broke.
I don't think it's insane, I think it's terrifying. Can you say "tipping point"?
Already tipped!
El Nino feeds into this somewhat...but yeah....
Oh, look, shipping lanes!!!
Working hard to produce surpluses for the top 1% of income earners is insane and also destroys the biosphere.
It's too late to stop it. It was too late to stop it 50 years ago as near as I can tell. Anyway... it's been a nice summer here in Michigan so far.
Global time series of surface and land temperatures. Select for just land temperatures and see what happens.
Regional differences -- Florida compared to Washington.
Coastal waters of Florida now at 101°F.
Where you live matters a lot. Choose wisely.
But also, do you really think we have 17 years left to stop climate change?
Maybe negative-17 years...
D-Ohrk
101F off the coast of Florida is really being in (pardon the pun) uncharted waters
That water has to cool and will get swept up into the North Atlantic where is will lose it's heat, regain it's salinity and sink to a lower level. But that heat has to go somewhere and THAT is the problem.
It could shut down that NA current and that would be a disaster. The question I have is the current shut down a "one off" event or will that trigger even more calamities?
I'm old and always expected to be dead when all this happened but now? I'm not so sure that I will be gone by the time it happens.........
This was insane decades ago, when we refused to do anything to prevent it or at least ease the impact. It was “imaginary “ for so long. “Look! It’s snowing today. There is no global warming.”
no worries, God has a plan for the true believers..
The Limits to Growth, published in 1972 (51 years ago) already went over all of this.
https://collections.dartmouth.edu/ebooks/meadows-limits-1972.html#epubcfi(/6/2%5Bfront_cover%5D!/4/1:0)
It was too late 51 years ago, and societal collapse is already ongoing.
But, go ahead and whistle past that graveyard and ignore what smart people have been saying for more than half a century - we need to burn more of the Earth's finite resources faster or else GDP might go negative and affect shareholder wealth.