The news of the day is that, among other things, the FBI's search of Mar-a-Lago turned up boxes of documents that contained "nuclear" secrets classified at stratospherically high levels. But what kind of nuclear secrets? Nobody knows, of course, but I started getting curious about what the broad possibilities were. Here's a back-of-the-envelope list:
- Engineering/design documents.
- Intel about other countries' nuclear programs.
- Old nuclear launch codes.
- Nuclear protocols.
- Defense plans for using nuclear weapons.
- Budget information.
- Storage and/or transportation plans.
- Details about planned upgrades to nuclear weapons.
- Wargame simulations.
Which of these is most likely? What broad categories am I missing? FWIW, I'd choose #2 if I were forced to guess. The others all seem like things that either wouldn't interest Trump or that he would never have access to in the first place.
I’d guess #2 also and France in particular.
My lingering questions are twofold then
1) was this an intentional decision by Trump to get in this spot, or are these documents sitting at Mar a Lago just a product of incompetence
2) if it WAS an intentional decision on his part and assuming you’re right (nuclear weapons of France), why would he keep those? Who would even care about France’s nukes?
My bet is that the answer to (1) above is standard issue incompetence. If he meant to do this then I just don’t see the play. He’s a coward at heart and you need major balls to knowingly steal classified docs with plans to use them nefariously
I don’t think that Trump thinks about stuff that way. He has some information that he might want to use some day. Why relinquish it? Trump doesn’t ask for permission or forgiveness. Only fealty.
As to why would he keep that information, My thought was it doesn’t matter what the information was as much has how it was acquired. Perhaps another country could exploit that avenue. Or perhaps he just liked knowing something he could use to his own benefit in the future.
That sounds right. He has always been a one man show. He ran the presidency like he ran his company. He grabbed some papers because he felt entitled to them.
“Standard issue incompetence”
My guess is that’s right. I’m sure us lefties will be expected to believe it was part of his plan for overthrowing the US govt and then world domination, but… he’s a buffoon, not a super villain.
The reports of non-secure handling of documents and secrets and probably everything, sound about right. He has no idea what he has or where it should have gone or where it went or who should or should not have had it. He took it all because he just knew there has to be something in there that made him look stupid. He figured he’d take care of it later, get Jared to hire somebody or something.
My dad at that age couldn’t do the accounting for the HOA he was elected to do. (Not senile, just getting old! Not everyone that age loses some function, but Trump has always seemed pretty scattered to me. He had teams of guys to keep him on track, his dad’s money and company/name.
>"but… he’s a buffoon, not a super villain."
Not a super villain certainly, but my money is on both buffoon and villain, at least in the sense of looking for personal enrichment
That's the excuse they give, incompetence. Monty Python made a whole shtick out of the incompetent upper class that is still running England into the ground. As George Orwell pointed out in the 1930s, the aristocracy first claimed that they were appointed by God and then that they were the warriors defending and dying for the nation. By the 1930s, all they could come up with justify running the place was that they were incompetent.
Look up some articles on Adolph Hitler in the late 1920s, after the Beer Hall Putsch. They're all of the form, ha ha ha, silly little Hitler. What an oaf! He's hilarious. Donald Trump was probably brought up on this with his father being a Nazi sympathizer.
There was just a French presidential election in which a Russian-financed populist, Le Pen, was expected to topple Neoliberal Emmanuel. I have a feeling the thought was selectively released Intel could have been a gamebreaker for the French revanchists, but the likely cutout for getting that to the public, Melanchon, didn't want to meet El Jefe's price.
He's the sort of guy who thinks that anything he gets hold of is his unless you can in some way physically force it from him, so if you give him the US government he literally thinks it's his.
+1 creepy limousine photo with preteen Ivanka
Here's a dumb question for "the board"
Trump kept 2 sets of books for Trump Org
Has he made copies of the top secret decoder ring stuff?
For future use of course
I honestly don't think he's that clever, but he is clever enough to act like he might have if anyone asks.
A cokedup Junior definitely might have duplicated the documents, if he had access to them.
Ivanka, without coke, also would have done the same. (I am assuming she gave up Colombian marching powder after marrying Jared, & converting, out of confusion over cocaine's status as Parev.)
Let's build on what we know:
1) The Trumps are very close to the Saudi's.
2) The Saudi's are frightened that Iran will go nuclear and leave them desperately outgunned in the region and at least a decade in nuke development behind them.
3) US engineering and design documents would be a boon to any country wanting to be able to quickly develop sophisticated nuclear weapons without having to go through the long process of design and getting them to the size where they're really effective.
So I'm going with Engineering and Design docs. Which is just a guess but it's every bit as good as Kevin's.
This is my thought also. Trump was already accused by a whistle blower of trying to get nuclear engineering information to the Saudi's. The Saudi's began their payment by making sure Trump's golf courses were highlighted by the LIV tour and don't forget Jared and his dealings with the Saudi's.
Why would the whitehouse have design docs though? Seems to me it has to be policy or foreign intel.
+1
Also any design docs that any politician would ever read or have access to would not have a level of detail helpful in actually designing weapons. I can look at a picture of a Glock and specs on muzzle velocity, etc. but so what? I still can’t make one
Is our reichwing troll admitting he has as thin a knowledge of the mechanics of guns as the shitlibs who think the AR in AR15 stands for assault rifle?
I guess so yeah
Until I Googled it just now I did think AR stood for assault rifle. ArmaLite Rifle, huh? The more you know
Additionally, nuclear design documents have their own specific classification designation above Top Secret. The most sensitive tag on the receipt of materials removed from MAL is "TS/SCI" -- Top Secret / Secure Compartmentalized Information. The receipt never utilizes the separate and distinct acronym associated with nuclear weaponry design information. So while it's _possible_ that CNWDI (Critical Nuclear Weapons Design Informmation) is lurking in stacks of documents, it almost certainly wasn't seen in the not-a-raid at MAL, else it would have been expressly called out in the receipt.
You don't understand how industrial intelligence works. You, personally, might not be able to learn much given a picture of a Glock and the like, but an intelligence expert could figure out a lot.
Intelligence experts could learn from looking at the little things one might ignore. What are the precise dimensions? Where are the pivots, seams, holes, little nubs, bolts and so on. Just knowing the barrel length and diameter can give a sense of the kinds of ammunition it could handle. Any visible part of the firing mechanism gives clues to the repeat rate. The handle design gives clues to the gun's weight, balance and moment and an idea of its firing torque.
Everyone knows the basic physics, but building a weapon requires making design decisions and accepting trade offs. Often, those trade offs were made differently by different parties. Just seeing a clear picture of a radar dish can tell an antenna expert a great deal about which tradeoffs were made. The tradeoffs let one reach back into the design and manufacturing train.
Personally, I doubt Trump had the as-built plans for one of our nuclear weapons, though it wouldn't be impossible. More likely it's about basing, targeting and so on.
I agree that’s not something the White House receives. My guess is it’s either dirt or sensitive analytical/policy stuff from which experts in Russia or China (perhaps North Korea also) could get a serious head start figuring out if there’s flaws in their electronic or communication security or identifying Five Eyes or US spies. My other guess is he’s holding these documents to trade if he ever wants to build Trump Tower Moscow or as leverage against the US in the event the DOJ decides to pull the trigger.
Mitch-
I think it's too late for that type of leverage
At least, according to Russian sources:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1558289365004128264
OK, I know it's propaganda
But knowing how this would hurt their "friend" politically why publicize the information?
Jimmy Carter might well have seen schematics for nuclear weapons, and been able to understand them. Nuclear reactors and nuclear bombs are extremely different beasts, but there's enough commonality that a reactor expert like Carter may well have been able to understand bomb design. I don't believe there's been another president that had the kind of education needed to be able to learn anything from a bomb schematic.
The White House SCIF is the Situation Room. In a crisis there might be call for a lot of different information and have subject matter experts to go over it and summarize options for the President and Cabinet.
Related to "why nuclear?", that would be a "compartment" (subject) that could combine with a lot of other compartments AND be at multiple sensitivity levels So any information on nuclear missile submarines could potentially also combine with "Navy", "Submarine", "Nuclear Missile", "Nuclear Propulsion", "Patrol Stations", etc. (Falling back to some work I did at DEC in the 80s on sensitive compartmented information (SCI) automation.
There's zero chance Trump possesses the expertise to identify documents containing technical specs that would be useful to a third party country that wanted to develop WMD, if he even came across them in his day-to-day activities as POTUS (which is doubtful). He'd have to involve security aides and other brass. This seems an exotically unlikely scenario.
Also, in the main, the principal impediment to developing a nuclear arsenal isn't lack of knowledge (it's very old technology at this point, and a lot of information can be obtained by a simple google search). Rather, it's putting together the resources, components and manufacturing capacity that's challenging—especially given the existence of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and the surveillance of different state actors (US, UK, Israel, etc) and their intel agencies.
John Solomon, Richard Grenell, & Ka$hmoney Records were the brains of El Jefe's espionage op.
Thank you. Not from personally being involved but observation, donnie uses "experts" who scratch his spot, knowing the misdirected attention will be directed elsewhere, leaving him with little or not obvious responsibility. That is his primary (it seems to me) mode of operation. A, "nice family you got there, be ashamed if anything happened to any of them", all "voiced" by someone other than himself.
Apostrophe abuse!
Who knows. Maybe Mike Flynn wrote a long memo explaining how a US first strike could be used to cripple China, or Jared recommended a deal to help the Saudis develop nukes before Iran could.
I bet this was a big reason for the Biden/Saudi summit where they dealed. More little gifts Trump left.
If only you will listen to Trump. The documents seized by the FBI were obviously planted. Meanwhile Barack Hussein Obama goes scott free!
“President Barack Hussein Obama kept 33 million pages of documents, much of them classified,” Mr. Trump said in a statement. “How many of them pertained to nuclear? Word is, lots!”
He can't even keep his story right.
I hope Kevin goes to his semi-regular lunch at Panera Bread with his bogstandard Republican friend soon, to get the Trump-sceptic taek on this event.
& after, breathlessly reports his friend's good sense, which will amount to saying "33 million top secret Obummer files under miminal security in lawless, Democrat run Chicago".
The National Archives already debunked that (I saw the article in the Seattle Times this morning). It was a short statement. The shorter summary is that ALL those documents were turned over to the National Archives repository in DC when the Obama administration left office. The DC Archive arranged shipping the documents to the Chicago Archive to be scanned and digitized for easier access and study. The documents are currently residing in the Archives repository in Chicago.
TFG is lying, confused, or (probably) both. Remember when he mistook a lurid movie trailer (Sicario) for a documentary and started babbling about women tied up and gagged in vans/trucks and carted from Mexico into the US?
So, those Trump as Rambo tifo we see at his rallies, he thinks those are real, too.
I guess Donald is more like Frank Reynolds than we knew.
On one hand, I'm having a good time watching Donnie slowly twist in the wind.
On the other hand, it bothers me that this story is dominating the news cycle during the best week of Joe Biden's presidency. It's like we can't get this damned guy out of our heads.
This is pretty big news. The timing sucks for Biden.
Probably. I think people are going to stay soured on him until the economy looks better in headlines anyways. He can tout this during midterms if he wants his due attention
If the inflation numbers stay good next month and beyond, that might be an even better time to tout a victory
It does look better in headlines. Just added another 500,000 jobs last month. Gas pricegouging by your bois in big oil is being nipped. Inflation is cooling.
Exactly, give it 2 more months and if trends continue that’d be a great time to tout the new bill
If the economy fully rebounds Biden would be untouchable
We can't get the damned guy out of our heads because he just might encapsulate a much bigger threat - that to our democracy.
I wonder who ratted Trump out???? I have a good guess......"not in America" is my guess
It was the Australian guy whom George Papadopoulos blabbed to at the London pub.
That guy is the Forrest Gump of treason.
MBS I would bet. Long term relations/patronage from the US is a lot more valuable than whatever Trump can offer in how many years he last left.
For what it’s worth, it had to have been someone who saw the documents at Trump’s SRO and could describe both the documents and the place where they could be found. And it had to be fairly recently, too.
NYT has just reported that, after the haul earlier this year, a lawyer for Trump signed an affidavit that there were no more documents at MaL. This is someone who shouldn’t be a lawyer, because either they lied in an affidavit, or they took the word of Trump or one of his associates, and didn’t check an assertion by a known liar, proving they are too stupid to practice law.
Does Trump’s lawyer lying to the Feds out Trump on the hook too? How does that all shake out
*put
Apparently Trump is/was obsessed with new toys being developed....so #1, but not for existing systems.
Note: Just a document saying we're building a new system would be classified at the highest level--doesn't need full set of engineering documents or even performance goals.
Bingo! and, thank you.
Trump, per Woodward: "I have built a nuclear—a weapons systems that nobody's ever had in this country before. We have stuff that you haven't even seen or heard about. We have stuff that Putin and Xi have never heard about before. There's nobody. What we have is incredible."
https://twitter.com/JellyBeans570/status/1558448890713620481
The question of what's in the boxes is not what would interest Trump. It's what would interest people like Putin, Xi, MBS.
Maybe Trump was being played to spread mis-information to that group.
I'm mean, they knew he'd leak it....
😉
Has it occurred to anyone (it really just did for me) that the documents seized might be corroborating evidence of espionage?
NYT: "Agents who executed the warrant did so to investigate potential crimes associated with violations of the Espionage Act and an obstruction law."
So far all the emphasis being reported is on the fact that having the documents is a crime. If there is an espionage investigation and part of the evidence is that he actually has the documents that he is using in connection with that, then it seems to me that is a very big deal.
I'm thinking of these documents as basically Lavrov's or the Saudis' shopping list, plus I think there's at least a chance the feds got wind of this, or corroboration of tips, from comms intercepts, so I'm willing to go there too.
Somebody on MSNBC this evening reminded viewers in no uncertain terms how uninterested trump was in anything to do with intelligence reports, as in wouldn't even look at anything that wasn't in crayon, so what the hell is he doing with these? It only makes sense if he got a list from somebody who would know what's worth stealing. As in somebody whose name rhymes with Flichael Mynn, possibly? But that's rank speculation.
If there is really treachery this deep, the big problem is that it gets very hard to prosecute. Getting him on document destruction and theft must be a slam-dunk given that they were willing to go in and reclaim the stuff he didn't eat. Think what they'd have to reveal, and what bridges they'd have to burn, if what we're talking about needed to be demonstrated in court. And that's just to the extent that it could be, because the levels of classification involved could make proof very hard. And trump would be exactly the guy to brazen them out so they'd have to do it, and burn a lot of people and techniques in the process.
Oh god, if he showed these to someone from a foreign country they’re going to put him under the damn jail
Especially since he was seen pal-ing around (however you spell it, yaknow “being pals” with them) with Saudis at the Bonesaw Circuit. That would be huge
It's killing you, isn't it?
Maybe you & Curt Schilling can organize a strike team to exfiltrate your Man of Maralago.
"Maybe you & Curt Schilling can organize a strike team to exfiltrate your Man of Maralago."
Curt's out on that one, he will need to get someone else
Weak ankles..........
What about Lenny Dykstra?
What about a more "enhanced" response.'
How about Fernando Tatis Jr??????
I still ride for Derek Dietrich.
Had to Google that one too. Baseball pitcher turned coping seething rightoid? I can bust Bonespur out of this bind myself, no old farts crybabies needed
All of the reports mention "Espionage Act," rather than "espionage." So while I wouldn't be surprised if there is an investigation into espionage, I don't think the available information supports it.
I sort of agree. But where would you place "potential crimes associated with violations of the Espionage Act?"
What's the point of having them if you can't show them off to your "friends".
Now that I think of it, they can dust the pages for prints.
Did Ivanka really see every one of them?
They are dusting for prints!
10. Stuff that looked impressive to him but may not be so impressive to anyone else.
This is obviously the best case scenario.
What I've been thinking about is that I keep seeing the phrase '11 sets of documents'.
This is suggesting that the papers are organized in discreet sets, which suggests that each set may be on a specific topic. That could end up as a lot of information.
And the WSJ reported 20 boxes worth in the recent haul. That would be on TOP of the 15 boxes returned earlier. So we're up to 35 boxes. Anyone wonder what's likely to be found at some of his OTHER clubs?
Dick Cheney's original heart, taken from his body but wouldn't die, grew Stephen Miller around it as a protective shell, he's got that.
Some people use "nuclear" just to mean "something I don't know anything about but it sure is impressive." Jim Ryan, a Browns quarterback who had a math PhD, used to talk about reporters who wrote him up as a "nuclear mathematician" just because it sounded important even though there was no such thing.
Could today's political reporters be anything like their sports brethren of the olden days?
Unless Garland follows the same rules as WaPo I doubt it. Nuclear came straight out of the horse’s mouth
That's right. It's a reference to the documents' classification status. There are general levels of classification, but there is also a taxonomy of "tickets" in which access to classified information is compartmentalized. If your job requires you to know about something, you are qualified for the appropriate tickets or letters. A friend of mine worked at Los Alamos on an unclassified project but was offered work on "bomb code" that would have required what they called Q access, special clearance to access software associated with nuclear weapons.
The security codes are divided and subdivided, so "nuclear" in this case is a high level description in the taxonomy of classification codes. It can mean half of everything.
The "compartment" part of sensitive compartmented information refers (when I learned about this stuff in the 80s) to information of a certain class. A given document would have a sensitivity/classification level: Top Secret, Secret, Confidential, Unclassified, and an oddball called Confidential but Unclassified that was applied to things like agendas for important meetings or announcements that you didn't want to leak out in advance of formal presentation. It would also have one or more compartments based on the specific types of information contained.
So "Nuclear" could be a compartment, one example we were given was that a document about nuclear missile subs might have that, "Navy", "Submarine", "Nuclear Missile", Nuclear Propulsion", "Station Assignment", etc. It could get really complex.
Did he keep stuff randomly, or did he actively try to find things?
Was someone helping him to know what to look for and where to look? A General Flynn comes to mind, as suggested above.
[German accent} Always the difficult questions, yes? [/German accent]
And wouldn't a bidding war for this kind of stuff between the Saudis and the Russians, with hotel and resort rights in the payoff, be just the kind of turgid Hollywood scenario you could imagine extruded by the likes of Bannon and trump? All they'd need would be Mark Burnett to edit the final product.
They seem to dumb for that. For all his talk of being a dealmaker Trump tends to tip his hand and fold early during negotiations
Wouldn’t be surprised if he showed the Saudis for no reason/because they let him touch an orb way back in the day
Every time I call someone dumb I make a typo and invalidate my opinion
*TOO dumb
Oh you mean the glowing orbs that AREN'T in Tucker Carlson's pants?
Is that also why he sputters sometimes? Overly sunned scrotum causes brain neurons to misfire?
& from seeing that clip of Kilmeade filling in on Tucker Tonite, seems Bri-Bri is into it, too. His confusing patter was as they claimed Biden's is. & Killer is a lot younger!
The Rosenbergs got executed. Just sayin'.
I think it might be informational were some journalist publish the particulars of the Rosenbergs.
Historian Michael Beschloss subtweeted about the Rosenbergs yesterday. I bust my gut laughing when I saw that.
You mean those ( ( ( globalists ) ) )?
They deserved what they got as proto-Sorosian vanguard of the international socialist movement.
Like capitalism isn't globalist????? Let's face it, it is. Even during the illusion of "nationalism" during the industrial revolution, the nature of money was global.
I haven't been able to find this “news of the day” anywhere. The Washington Post says that, “classified documents relating to nuclear weapons were among the items FBI agents sought in a search of former president Donald Trump’s Florida residence.” But the Post's sources were only willing to talk about what the agents were looking for, not what they had actually found.
The receipt for the property taken has now been made public--see pages 5 through 7 of the link below--so we now know that amoung the materials taken were some documents classified as confidential, three sets of documents classified as secret, three sets of documents classified as top secret, and one set of documents classified as top secret / sensitive compartmented information. This tells us that Trump had classified documents, probably covering multiple topics, but doesn't tell us whether any of the documents contained nuclear secrets.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854.17.0_21.pdf
Which doesn't matter.
The fact that he had those documents at a non-secure location IS a violation of the Espionage Act.
Trump also claimed (he actually had a standing order to this affect) that he could declassify any document because he's the president. This is patently false. Some documents especially those SCI documents have to be declassified by multiple people.
The fact that these documents were handled by people w/o a security clearance in the removal, transport and unloading at MaL is lost on many people.
Perhaps whenever he waved a KFC chicken leg over a box of highly classified documents, the wafting fried chicken aroma mystically declassified the entire contents of the box.
Not sure what the fuss is all about? The boxes where purportedly highly secure in a basement store room, with a really nice padlock on the door. What could possibly go wrong?
You mean the more than 2 years that the documents were sitting in the room before the FBI politely asked them to secure it with a padlock - quite a lot, I imagine.
I don't see at all people complaining about the level of proof needed to convict Mr Trump under the Espionage Act...at some level it is almost a strict liability crime, (see last phrasing in 18 USC 793(e)...yes there is the problem of Jury Nullification, but if they follow the law even a little...Trump should be toast.
18 USC 793(e)
Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;
*************
1. Willfully retained
2. Failed to deliver when requested
3. Failed to deliver when subpoenaed
Easy Peasy....they should get with choosing a jury already!
Best Wishes, Traveller
They nailed David Patreus with a lot LESS sensitive material
But I think Garland tread very carefully on this knowing the blow back he would get.
BTW I do believe after reading and listening to Trump's diatribe about releasing the search warrant info that he was looking to find out who the snitch was. I do believe he knows he did wrong - but for Trump THAT doesn't matter.
It's who ratted him out..........
Good to hear from you again, Traveller!
It's occurred to me that the hodge podge of trivial and highly classified documents that were found suggests that trump just told one of his loyal White House staffers to just pick up everything in the residence and jam it into boxes.
We know of his lax document handling. We know that he'd just walk off with secret and top secret stuff, taking it into The Residence. Or would rip it up and toss the pieces on the floor. (There were, reportedly, ripped up scraps of documents in the twenty-odd boxes found a mara-lago.) There was probably four years of this stuff scattered around the family's living area in the White House, and that's what he took.
Thirty five odd boxes, maybe even more. The place must have been a cesspool.
1) Trump is not quite as stupid as many imagine.
2) None of this should be a surprise to anyone, it was inevitable since his election
3) It was probably a SS agent that reported him, not a rat from his inner circle
4) What does he have squirreled away at Trump Tower and Bedminster?
5) He would have taken what was easily understandable to him, see #1.
6) He has lived above the law for his entire life and the presidency exacerbated his sense of being untouchable. That I hope is about to change.
I imagine a Secret Service agent saying "WTF" and reporting the documents.
LOL.
The Secret Service in his detail are auditioning to be the Security of Trump World after the next Insurrection (successful).
Trump has frontal lobe dementia. It's why he clings to Jared so much.
"5) He would have taken what was easily understandable to him, see #1."
Or, he would have taken what somebody steered him to. How would he have even seen any of them, let alone even knew they existed, given that the daily briefers couldn't get him to stay off his phone or wander away unless they took in (very short) comic-book formatted material?
Think of the logistics. In order to get them he'd have had to have someone request and then physically either pick up the specified documents from some office somewhere or locate them on a server and print them out. In theory every transaction like that should have left records showing who and when (but we know what happens to inconvenient records regarding that regime, don't we). This wasn't some lone guy walking the dusty library stacks.
"The news of the day is that, among other things, the FBI's search of Mar-a-Lago turned up boxes of documents that contained "nuclear" secrets classified at stratospherically high levels .."
What is your source for this? There were rumors they were looking for nuclear secrets and I believe the inventory of stuff removed references classified documents. But I don't recall seeing any report that they found classified nuclear secrets.
The history of Trump has proven one thing - nothing they have on him is as rock solid as it seems on the first few days/weeks of Breaking News chyrons. I always assume him guilty, but not going to get on this ride again just yet.
Funnily, I have noticed both our Swedish friends, silver & sture stuhl, have been completely silent during this week. Atticus, too.
Though, with Atticus, it might just be plotting how to play bothsides on this with De Santis, on the one hand condemning the FBI's reenactment of the unlawful siege against Real Murican Randy Weaver (hmm... I wonder if Ivana's fall down the stairs was a warning shot, like Randy's wife being murdered during the standoff), but on the other using this as a cudgel against Trump in the primary, no one under FBI investigation being able to run for president.
Your obsessed with Weaver the moron and "Ayran Nations" slobs they were manipulated by((talk about a con man.......half Indian scrub).
If I were Cher, I would sue you.
The only weapon tech that would scare me would be if we have perfected laser isotopic separation.
Intelligence assets would be very very very bad.
Why. Does. It. Matter.
Because the definition of classified is "release could cause grave harm to the United States." Of course, if you're a Russian, or North Korean, or Persian, that's all to the good, right?
Always remember: d'ohrk is a plandemic truther & vaxxx sceptic.
He's not on our side.
Maybe the question you want asked is, "what nuclear 'secrets' are over-classified?"
As far as I can tell, anything that is classified TS-SCI is so damn sensitive that not a single item should have ever left a SCIF and stored in an unlocked room at MAL.
Ergo, this entire discussion is a total waste of time.
Given El Caudillo's document handling process, he probably just told some White House peon to grab everything in the residence and stuff it into boxes for transport. We all know by now that he regularly just walked off with classified, even of the highest order, and one of his spokes-toadies today tweeted (what else?) that there was a "standing order" that anything he walked off with was now unclassified. Presto chango!
And speaking of "just stuffing into boxes" , has an inventory been done of furniture, paintings, statuary, fixtures in the White House? Has the silverware been counted?
After Bill & Hillary plundered the White House in 2000-01, there is no art nor furniture left to take.
Or even w keys from the tech gear.
That time Kathy Griffin met Salman Rushdie,
https://twitter.com/6Six84/status/1558485794855452672
Anne Heche. Salman Rushdie. Who will be the third?
Mia Khalifa would be a fit to complete the set, but seems cut from a script.
Will be someone random. Maybe Roger Staubach.
The dead body of Stanley Kubrick, because Eyes Wide Shut defiled Islam.
Is this like the theories behind the Shining being either an allegory of the Indian Removal Act or an admission that Kubrick orchestrated the moon landing on a New Mexico soundstage?
Because he used a recording of an Egyptian muezzin during the orgy scene.
And, also, those Satanic women.
Imagine you are the president of the USA, and upon retiring you wanted to keep some documents from your work. You have people put them in boxes for you. It is completely obvious that you have to be careful not to accidentally take some classified materials. Now a president would be the laziest man on Earth if at some point that he, along with some assistants with expertise in document handling, did not take the time to go through every document in every box to be sure he was not taking classified material off to store in an unsecure closet or basement in his home.
So perhaps Trump is the laziest man on Earth.
Or maybe he knew the classified docs were there and he just didn't give a damn.
Or maybe he liked having some classified stuff in the basement. Just feels right, feels important like in the good old WH days.
Or maybe he knew the classified docs were there, and he wanted to keep them to hide some things. (I doubt this. If he was hiding something, he would have destroyed the documents. On the other hand, Trump often doesn't think things through. He runs on impulse.)
Yes, if they were incriminating for him, he would have flushed them. That he kept them, and reportedly had his lawyer lie about having kept them, meant that he thought they were valuable, either as blackmail material, or as secrets tradable to foreign governments for cash or favors. He took considerable risk holding on to these, and it’s not going to pay off.
"meant that he thought they were valuable, either as blackmail material, or as secrets tradable to foreign governments"
Crazy that we even have to think about stuff like this. But in the case of Trump, all of these things are possible. Transactional Trump, whatever pays best.
"Yes, if they were incriminating for him, he would have flushed them."
If he knew for sure that they are badly incriminating, maybe ("badly" means something that is difficult to get away with). But the more likely situation is that he didn't actually know whether there is anything badly incriminating. So it is the balanace of risk between the DOJ getting the documents and finding something badly incriminating, and the risk of getting charged for destroying documents. He may have felt that destorying documents is a larger risk.
To know for sure if the documents contain badly incriminating stiff he would need somebody to go through, so creates a risk of leaking. So he just hung to the document as much as he could.
Suppose Trump had asked someone else to keep these boxes for him, just hang onto them until I ask for them, don't look inside, just stick them somewhere, you know, out of the way, where no one but you knows about it, --what would the guy think?
I'd like to hear from that person if they exist. And I'd also like to hear from the person who was directed regarding what to put in the boxes in the first place. Surely Trump didn't pack them himself.
"The others all seem like things that either wouldn't interest Trump"
It's not about what would interest Trump. It's about what Putin told Trump to keep.
And the categories you are missing involve terrorism and software hacks. E.g. how to introduce software into a civilian nuclear plant to cause it to blow up.