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30 thoughts on “The Trump trial is over

  1. bbleh

    One assumes that at least one of his lawyers swore to commit seppuku in front of the jury if he insisted on doing so.

    But it would have been hilarious.

      1. cld

        Trump, watching from the witness stand, would be disgusted.

        He should have done that outside where no one had to watch, but cameras could record it so everyone would know.

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    1. rrhersh

      This seems unlikely. Why would Trump have cared? Indeed, this would be an excellent opportunity to avoid paying legal fees.

  2. clawback

    I don't know why people think this would be entertaining. He would spew verbal bullshit everywhere, the prosecutors and judge would try to control him, then he'd act aggrieved. After which the media would edit his incoherent ramblings as if he had said something profound. They would call the session "freewheeling."

    So in other words entirely predictable and not the least bit entertaining.

    1. realrobmac

      And SNL would make it seem like he's just a funny funny guy who has a lot of energy and drops a lot of pop cultural references. Anyone else notice this? The current iteration of the Trump impersonation is highly complimentary. They don't even have him wear a fat suit. The message is, Trump is funny and likeable and a little bit eccentric. And Biden is OLD OLD OLD.

      1. Joseph Harbin

        I think the most dangerous talent that Trump has is getting people to laugh at him. It makes him different than any other Republican, or any other politician, for that matter.

        A guy like DeSantis will say something horrible and come across as menacing. Trump will do the same and come across as a clown.

        It's not just SNL. I've watched MSNBC hosts laugh at Trump, thinking they are putting him down. All I can think is: stop it. He has a disarming demeanor but people should know better than to fall for it. Treat him and the threat he poses seriously. If you treat him as the ultimate dumb schmuck, that guy who says the darnedest things ("There he goes again!"), you're playing his game. It doesn't help if you act like you (or we) are better than him. That's not the way to react if you want to defeat him.

        It's not that all humor is bad. Sarah Cooper was brilliant when she was making her videos. She wasn't putting him down. She was revealing him. She took his words and showed the confusion and panic and rage within him. The laughs didn't disarm you. You felt concerned. And rightly so.

        It's an interesting phenomenon. It's easy to laugh at Trump though he's not a funny person. There's not an ounce of wit in his entire bloated personality. If he wants a laugh, he'll put someone down, a target that his self-selected audience likes to see put down. Maybe he'll say something so outrageous he'll draw a nervous laugh. Rinse and repeat enough and people develop a reflex. He'll vow to commit atrocities and people will grin. And not just his faithful supporters.

        One of the greatest disparities between the culture today and the culture that I grew up in is the loss of real humor. I don't think people understand funny anymore. We're a meaner people and more frightened than before. We are materially better but it's hard to say we're enjoying it. The algorithms of entertainment and media are driving us to the edge. We're chronically upset and Trump, the ultimate con man, is selling a cheap laugh as we creep toward authoritarianism. Even assuming Trump loses in November, we still have a lot of work to do. Our culture and our psyches are not in good shape.

        1. Joseph Harbin

          Side point.

          The Democratic reflex to ridicule the opposition is not new. But during the Obama years it became the default response too many times. More often the response should have been righteous indignation or even outright anger. That was not a position that Obama was comfortable with, for obvious reasons. But by making fun of the opposition by habit, Democrats let themselves be painted as the ones looking down on others. Elites.

          It’s a different time, and Democrats need a different default response. Laughing at Trump is not enough to get the job done. People need to feel and understand the danger.

          1. Yikes

            Its actually easier to make fun of Trump or Green or Gaetz or whomever than it is to acknowledge that millions of voters fully agree with them.

            I really think that's it. Thank goodness the stupid Republicans actually think they are in the majority, and as a result make the same mistake.

            What does not help, is the fact that Republicans added "government is a joke" to their party platform so a ton of performative heretofore ridiculous stunts are actually now official Repub policy.

    2. Martin Stett

      Yeah. The news about Trump is carefully reported so as not to endanger the chances of him shutting down the IRS, or other measures on behalf of the Corporations who own the news.

      Remember seeing this?
      "Donald Trump flirted with the idea of being president for three terms – a clear violation of the US constitution – during a bombastic speech for the National Rifle Association in which he vowed to reverse gun safety measures green-lighted during the Biden administration.

      “You know, FDR 16 years – almost 16 years – he was four terms. I don’t know, are we going to be considered three-term? Or two-term?” the ex-president and GOP presidential frontrunner said to the organization’s annual convention in Dallas, prompting some in the crowd to yell “three!” Politico reported."

      Me neither.
      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/19/trump-nra-convention-dallas?CMP=share_btn_url

        1. rick_jones

          Roosevelt would have gone the full 16 if he could, however. So it is tru that he was both elected for four terms but didn’t serve four.

          1. Joseph Harbin

            You know, we could spend all day discussing what Trump actually meant in the word salad that came out of his mouth.

            But since "16 years" did actually come out of his mouth, I think it's fair to correct the record since FDR's presidency lasted 3 years, 11 months less than Trump implied.

            Another point. Do you think it's fair to assume that Trump really knows that FDR served 12 years (plus a month) and not 16? It's doubtful. Is there another major political figure of Trump's generation who doesn't know FDR served 12 years off the top of their head? Also doubtful.

            1. Batchman

              We may all be misinterpreting what Trump meant by "three terms." Rather than hinting at running again in 2028, he might have meant that the current 2020-2024 term could be considered a Trump presidency instead of a Biden presidency because the election was "stolen" from him.

  3. cld

    Fascist moneybags thinks he's clever,

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/billionaire-tim-mellon-a-trump-megadonor-gave-another-dollar5m-to-rfk-jr

    Billionaire mega-donor Timothy Mellon, who has poured millions into a super PAC supporting Donald Trump, gave another $5 million to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in April, according to newly released campaign finance filings.

    The gift is sure to stoke speculation that Mellon believes Kennedy’s presence as an independent in the race could siphon votes away from President Joe Biden and help tilt the election toward the GOP.

    Mellon sent the cash to American Values 2024, a super PAC supporting Kennedy. He previously gave $20 million to the PAC, along with $15 million to the Trump-affiliated Make America Great Again Inc. Mellon also gave another $10 million to MAGA Inc. in April.
    . . . .

  4. Salamander

    Testifying/not testifying. Does anyone doubt he'll play footsie with the media in exactly the same way over the Presidential debates? Particularly if he "notices" the rules about time limits and having his "mic" cut off.

  5. iamr4man

    Trump couldn’t testify because he continues to say he didn’t have sex with McDougal and/or Daniels. Saying that under oath would lead to other evidence being allowed in order to show he is lying. And, in any event, even his fans know it’s true. The defense of Trump just seems to be that Cohen is a liar who you can’t trust and without him you can’t “prove” your case. He was shaken down by some women he never met and his own loser attorney. Trump’s defense is pretty pathetic for someone who is supposed to be “strong” and “smart”.

    1. Salamander

      Pathetic, yes. The Defendant spends some 60 years building up a reputation as a horn dog womanizer, aka "playboy", who has to import women from Eastern Europe to satisfy his "manly urges", there not being enough in the US -- and now demands Americans to believe he never did it with Ms Daniels or Ms McDougal?

      Who are, as you point out, successfully shaking him down for hundreds of thousands of dollars for something he claims never happened and have actually hauled him, a President of the United States!! into court!

      One can believe his story -- or one can be impressed by this Titan of Television, this Political (not to mention "Stable"!) Genius, this Would-Be Mussolini. Either or.

      1. Yehouda

        "One can believe his story -- or one can be impressed by this ..."

        That assumes that "one" is rational, which is not a sensible assumption.
        Certainly MAGA will not have any problem believing at the same time both of these and various other aseesrtions that contradict both of them.
        Even sensible people are pretty far from being rational in many situations.

  6. kennethalmquist

    What’s over is the presentation of evidence, not the entire case. What comes next is closing arguments.

    I think that the prosecution’s closing argument is going to be critical because the prosecution has to prove that Trump falsified business records with the intent to conceal (or advance) another crime. There may be enough evidence to show this intent, but if so it is scattered across the testimony of multiple witnesses and documents. The prosecution’s closing argument will have to collect this evidence into a clear framework in order to convince the jury that the case has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

  7. Dana Decker

    Trump *will* be testifying in public and on his social media. That's enough for MAGA-heads.
    Upside: no pesky questions from woke pedo Soros-funded prosecutors.

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