I don't have any special reason for posting this, but I happened to be checking out some abortion polling numbers and came across the latest from Gallup:
Support for more lenient abortion rules had been rising steadily since 2013 and then skyrocketed after the Supreme Court's Dobbs decision was leaked in early 2022.
Only 15% of Americans still want stricter rules, and the number who think abortion should always be illegal has already dropped by 7 percentage points—and might drop even further when we get the 2023 polling on this question. It appears that even a lot of hardcore abortion opponents were taken aback when they actually got what they had wanted.
>>even a lot of hardcore abortion opponents were taken aback when they actually got what they had wanted.>>
Isn’t that an ancient curse — “May you get what you wish for.”
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That cudgel is no longer in their arsenal, even though they're still working on banning the abortion pill & likely will start I again on birth control, ssme-sex marriage & anything related.
I hope that, as they employ THEiR "freedoms" to remove those of others, the backlash affects them from family & friends.
I'm sure the daggers from les yeux féminines had a lot to do with it.
TBF, I'm sure most of those folks were on the abortion should be limited to "cases of rape, incest, or if the mother's life were in peril" bandwagon. In which case, they went from "we wish abortion wasn't widely available to just anyone" to "maybe we should create exceptions for cases of rape, incest, or if the mother's life were in peril" instead of a total abortion ban.
Some politicians and CEOs probably also realized that maybe there ought to be an exception for them, but ehh, this is where half the country's at.
Look, if you really believed that a zygote, an embryo and a fetus are the equivalent of an adult human being (I don't), then you would believe there should be no exceptions for rape or incest. It would make no logical sense. And in the case of the life of the mother, it could be considered "justifiable homicide" if a full legal investigation concluded that.
If you believe abortion is murder, then the state has an interest in enforcing your religious belief. If you don't believe abortion is murder, then it becomes a privacy issue.
Most Americans think abortion is icky (so is prostate surgery, folks), but they don't think the nanny state should dictate reproductive choice.
Most anti abortion people are of the “sluts shouldn’t be able to use it as birth control, but good decent girls shouldn’t have their lives ruined by one mistake” mindset. And of course they were shocked to learn that it’s not easy for doctors and hospital lawyers/admins to distinguish between those two groups, so they’re just denying abortions to everyone.
It is a sad society that sees children as mistakes that ruin your life.
Bet you've never been nearly murdered by a rapist who broke into your home when you were sleeping & awakened you by giving you a concussion- head banged against the wall.
And rapists don't protect your job, provide insurance for prenatal care, delivery, aftercare, & support THEIR children for18 years
What is wrong with you?
Spoken by someone who has never been raped. Like KawSunflower says, What is wrong with you?
Society doesn't see that at all, just look at the masterful collection of protections we put in place for children.
However, that doesn't negate that children CAN ruin the lives of some people who simply weren't ready to be parents. It also doesn't negate that some women face mortal peril from childbirth and some women simply have to abort because the fetus is not viable.
It's not a black and white issue, there's a lot of nuance and grey area, which is precisely why it should be between a woman and her doctor to make the decision.
Support for abortion has increased, but this poll seems meaningless in itself. Of course more people want less strict "rules" after Dobbs and the existing abortion restriction laws in many states came back into effect (and more were passed), compared to the "rules" when Roe was in effect. That is, this poll is showing the change in rules, not overall opinion.
it's a lot easier to appreciate a right when it's been taken away.
Speaking for yourself, but not for Kansas women.
People who identified as pro-choice voted for Bush II & Trump in outcome-determining numbers. Many voted for anti-choice senators, governors, and state legislators. Probably because of taxes, crime stories on TV, or something else that they actually care about.
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Ohio's governor, who signed the twice-lying "fetal" "heartbeat" bill, banning abortion after 5 weeks (i.e.3 weeks after conception), was just reelected 62.4% to 37.4%. That bill forced a ten-year-old rape victim to travel out-of-state to get health care. And his party retained overwhelming control of both houses of the legislature, and gained rubber-stamp control of the supreme court.
The polls may show people want fewer restrictions on abortions, but people around here sure vote as if they approve of denying health care to women.