A new poll says that Americans don't think Joe Biden has accomplished much as president. That might seem surprising, but as usual it's meaningless. Here's the partisan breakdown:
Democrats think Biden has done a lot and Republicans think he's a failure. This is hardly news.
Do Democrats have "a messaging problem"? Does a bear (well, you know) in the woods?
There are times when Democrats could message better, yes. But the actual problem is more that Democrats and progressives lack 1. a major cable network, and 2. an entire spectrum of the radio, along with 3. a large chunk of the local television news market, corporate think tanks, podcasts, and websites, all coordinating with one another and Congressional leaders to do nothing but shit on Republicans 24/7.
That's the difference here.
The problem has been clear for years but we just have no solution.
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Republicans vs Democrats isn't surprising, but why do 66 percent of independents think he hasn't accomplished much? What are they hearing or not hearing that they believe so?
They're probably low information voters in the main, if Pew has properly screened respondents for partisanship. The vast majority of voters are functionally GOP or Dem regardless of party registration. True independents—those who legitimately are open to voting for either party—are a pretty modest share of the electorate, probably not much more than 10%. And the bulk of them don't follow politics very closely.
Seems perfectly plausible such folks aren't aware of Biden's achievements. Also, given that media coverage of the economy in 2022 was fairly negative (elevated inflation and rising mortgage rates) it seems pretty likely the Indies aren't in a great mood right now.
This is concerning. in 2020, Independents voted 54% for Biden and only 41% for Trump. Independents made up 26% of the votes cast. A change of that magnitude (if the new data is to be believed) bodes poorly for Biden versus anyone but Trump in 2024.
Why independents feel this way is confounding, but it doesn’t make it less concerning.
Indeed that is the piece of information of greatest importance, rather than snarkily pointing to the divergence of the party political partisans.
I was wondering that, too. Although if you average the republican and democratic responses in the table, you get pretty close to the "US adults" breakdown, so the independents aren't changing overall results too much anyway.
I'm guessing that "independants" are rather few in number and/or probably include roughly equal proportions of folks who are effectively republic or democratic and just don't say so when asked.
22% of Dems think he's accomplished little? Jeebus, we are so messed up.
That's the Green Lantern Dems.
https://www.vox.com/2014/5/20/5732208/the-green-lantern-theory-of-the-presidency-explained
Matt they wanted a pony and Biden didn't deliver.
One thing we all do is jump to a conclusion based in part on the evidence and in part on implicit assumptions. Then, if someone has a conflicting opinion, and it's someone we respect, we'll question our implicit assumptions, learn something from the experience, and potentially come to a different conclusion.
On the other hand, with people we don't respect, we look for evidence to confirm and defend our opinions, and that's all we'll see even when we're wrong.
To me, that means it's not a messaging problem. It's a choice between two options.
Option #1 is don't respect anyone that you think doesn't respect you (even if you're wrong), go on thinking that you're right even when you're wrong, and become a mirror image of the post-Eisenhower Republican party.
Option #2 is to respect people even if they don't respect you. Be open minded without being naïve, be skeptical without being cynical, and keep learning.
A few of us distinguish between Congress and the president. The 2021-2023 Congress has an impressive legislative record, but actual executive accomplishments are less noteworthy.
Yeah. The president has absolutely no influence with congress. He can't suggest what should be in bills. Can't talk to congress. Can't encourage them. It's amazing how little leadership the president is able to provide.
Has he accomplished a lot? He's done pretty well given that at best he's had to deal with a 50-50 Senate with Manchin, Sinema, and the filibuster and a reactionary SCOTUS. I don't think anyone would have accomplished much more. But that's grading on a curve. Have his accomplishments made a significant difference in most people's lives?
Student debt forgiveness is a big help to students with debt, which is a sizeable (though narrow) subset of voters. But it's been tied up in courts, and I expect this SCOTUS will strike it down.
Expanded ACA subsidies are great, but they really only directly affect a few percent of voters. Still definitely worth doing, but not going to convince voters that he's accomplished a lot.
So, I can see why most independents don't think he's accomplished a lot. If you want people to think he's accomplished more, messaging will help a little, but having a bluer Congress would help a lot more.
Yeah, that works. Ignore the accomplishments and then claim there were no accomplishments. You are a good little Republican.
These types of Qs have almost no value, given our modern polarization. Instead, pick Qs that forward an alternative reality and ask ppl to judge:
Were Trump president,
- would Russia have already seized Ukraine?
- would Republicans hold the debt limit?
- would Social Security and Medicare be cut?
- would the US risk shooting down a Chinese balloon over land?
It's because conservatives have always lived in a fantasy land, it's just that before the present era no one would ever bother actually fact-checking their nonsense, which, when you try to talk to them about it, will always get increasingly remote and esoteric, when it's not simply violent personal antipathy and general malice covered over with indifference.
Conservatives get it wrong and they don't care because they can always get away with tricking others into getting it wrong worse.
So which is it? Is he destroying America with ruthless efficiency, or is he achieving very little? Fox News gotta pick a side, they can't play both ways in good fai.... oh, I see...
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Dems and Rep respond with an involuntary reflex response, so why would any other response be expected. The lead on this is Ind at 32%. That’s no bueno
A good 75 percent of the ind are embarrassed conservatives.
The same poll says 45% of the independents approve of the job Biden is doing as president. For a lot of independent voters, I'd guess, not accomplishing much is actually what they expect of a good president. They'll say, "He didn't accomplish much" and vote for him again.
But also: independents are basically Republicans.