For what it's worth, I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about CRT and the "public school" problem that presumably led to Democratic election losses on Tuesday. It's not that this is a trivial issue or anything like that. On the contrary, it's been around in one form or another for decades and it's always been a reliable source of conservative fury whenever it resurfaces.
But it only resurfaced now because Fox News decided it should. They've spent months hammering on it, which successfully moved the needle a few percentage points in Virginia, but there's no guarantee that they'll keep that up for the next year. In fact, it's unlikely. There will be something new by then.
The only thing that's (almost) guaranteed is that next year's outrage will, subtly or otherwise, push racial hot buttons in Fox's audience. That's something that liberals need to figure out how to fight more effectively.
Republicans are not running on any particular issue, not even CRT. They are just running on racism and racist xenophobia. Anything with a remotely racist implication can be a trigger for the racist/religion partisanship that is now the only thing that Republicans offer to those who don't benefit from tax-cutting and deregulation. They don't offer anything that would actually materially benefit the non-rich.
Kevin claims that Democrats do not offer enough in economic programs for the middle class, but the Virginia campaign shows that even middle-class people are easily swayed by racist issues that directly affect them, that is control of what is taught in schools. Apparently Democrats can offer all sorts of real benefits to white people of all classes, but appealing to their racism is what affects electoral outcomes the most.
Nope. Then it isn't working. Considering how flawed Phil Murphy's 2 covid years were, him winning reelection was a miracle. Yeah, McC should have probably won, but he had to deal with the predecessor's mishandling schools, cowtowing to blm activists and just a messy handle on government. There are Desantitis's dem govs. Sorry media, it's true. "Hands up don't shoot" Whitmer is brrrrr. You have to run on that background, you better run on personality, quick response, nasty quips about your opponent. Incumbent effect was too risky.
Yet, he probably only lost by 1% when the mail comes in. I would have laughed at his CRT stuff by making CRT a joke that Republicans use because they want a globalist agenda to hide behind. Sucking sounds of jobs leaving the country to their "friends" overseas. Youngkin was dead by October. Just a hedgie globalist who hates America.
The sure way to victory for democrats is to explain to us republicans that we don't have real opinions and we're only just racist.
No lies detected.
The shoe seems to fit. When Republicans stop running on dog-whistle ‘culture war’ issues, and stop using language like ‘take our country back’, we’ll stop pointing out that you are sowing division and practicing the worst form of identity politics: not seeking equal rights for a disadvantaged group, but encouraging a group which has perpetrated and benefited from an unfair system to maintain their power and status.
And I'm sure when you stop proclaiming white people benefit from "white privilege" and are oppressors then they they will stop with their side of the culture wars.
Baloney. The culture wars date to long before anyone spoke the words ‘white privilege’.
Speaking of white privilege not existing: where was KKKlay Travis to call out Dave Portnoy as he has called out Deshaun Watson?
(Honestly, considering BarStool is the most obvious rival for pageviews to OutKuckTheCoverage, KKKlay has an economic reason, if nothing else, to want to see Portnoy's Complaint accelerate BarStool's decline.)
Poor white people, so picked on. When was the last time you saw a rich white businessman, or a white senator, or a white president? Or a white head football coach? Yes indeed, us white people have it so tough in this country. That's probably what makes us so whiney.
We had a Black family squatting in Our White House for eight years, & the Secret Service did nothing.
Ashli Babbitt goes to the Capitol to exercise her rights as a citizen & Capitol Police gun her down in fifteen minutes.
It's totally asymmetric.
A black family in the White House?? Talk about uppity.
And I'm sure when you stop pulling stupid debate tactics like getting the other side to explain we'll stop calling you on it.
Why are you so goddamn dumb, boy? Or are you just lazy?
Grow up. Why would you give two sh it’s what a leftist says? I’m solidly D, white and ignore the hyperbole, CRT was dog whistle garbage and got a lot fools fooled enough to yell at school boards so Faux had crap to fill air time and inflame… white people.
Spades- Murph has done a great job and ran on his record. He won. Don’t care that he won by 1 or 10. He won.
Reading the Alabama critical race theory ban closely, it doesn't ban CRT but it does seem to ban teaching the lost cause narrative of the Civil War. Not that the Hillbilly Jan Brewer, Gov. Kay Ivey, would know that.
KK. CRT is explicitly racist. Wake up. It reduces each of us to skin color and it favors darker tones. It speaks of " oppressors" and I'm guessing that's you're probably one KinersKorner - and " victims" which are the people of color. It dosen't promote equality of opportunity but equality of results. It's rations by skin color. It is explicitly racist and despite the media's denial, CRT was recommended teaching in Virgiania Public Schools. It's use was promoted on the Virginia Department of Education website.
Here's McAuliffe engaging in racism:
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1455300509057814535
The sure way to victory for Democrats is to squash you 'Conservatives' like the bugs you are. That blunt enough for ya, troll?
Stop insulting bugs. We're talking more like pond slime.
Given this repudiation of lefty policy goals by voters this week and, perhaps, again in the mid terms, hear should progressive voters do now? Should they withdraw from the political scene and let centrist democrats run the party? What does The NY Times editorial board think?
“What would do justice, and what is badly needed, is an honest conversation in the Democratic Party about how to return to the moderate policies and values that fueled the blue-wave victories in 2018 and won Joe Biden the presidency in 2020.”
Well there you go. The left needs to sit down and shut up. It’s kind of funny to read that from the publisher of the silly 1619 Project. But ok, I take the hint. The left can sit down and then the Democratic party will win landslides by doing nothing and appeasing independents and centrists. Democrats neither want nor need progressive voters.
Another Times headline today…
“Will Murphy Move to the Center After His Narrow Victory in New Jersey?
The Democratic governor won re-election in a surprisingly close race that has raised questions about his ability to enact liberal measures on gun control and abortion.”
So that’s that. Nothing to for democrats to do. Just leave well enough alone.
Absurd. Suburban women hate guns. Been a reliable campaign club to hammer Rs with for years.
Here's another Fox News outrage that served it's purpose... The anti vax outrage.
"GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. — The Kent County Sheriff's Office is mourning the loss of one of its deputies. Deputy David Cook, 47, passed away on Monday from COVID complications."
Way to take one for the team!
But he didn't take the stinkin vax! Freedumb!!
More reasons for progressives like me to sit down and shut up. I wanted Elizabeth Warren to be President!
“Carville's argument is that by focusing on removing statues or defunding the police or on proper pronouns for transgender students, Democrats are talking too much about issues that matter less to a broad swath of Americans than, say, the economy. "Some of these people need to go to a 'woke' detox center or something," Carville told Woodruff. "They're expressing a language that people just don't use, and there's backlash and a frustration at that."
Silly me. I shouldn’t even be voting! Of course, as an anti war and anti military guy, I’ve long understood that I have no place in the Democratic Party. I got my lonely win when Biden quit Afghanistan. That’s all I get.
Two Steve Bannon quotes....“the longer they talk about identity politics, I got ’em. I want them to talk about racism every day. If the left is focused on race and identity, and we go with economic nationalism, we can crush the Democrats.” Or really just economics. Most people care about themselves and their family and in the most proximate sense, their financial wellbeing.
Unfortunately our news media, both left and right, seek out the Dems who talk about race because it gets clicks. The right because it stirs the racists, and the left because it gets the bleeding hearts bleeding. The media is dumb and lazy as a cow but it knows how to attract flies to shit.
But when did the Falange Yanqui ever talk about ECONOMIC nationalism?
It's been good people honoring Robert E. Lee all thr way down for decades.
They were hating on the Chinese before covid was cool and all of the NAFTA participants. Oh, and illegal immigrants are stealing your job. It's a simple formula that gets working class people pissed of and it has some "truth" to it. And it crosses ethnic barriers, bring up illegal immigration to a hispanic citizen who might have dropped $10-20K to get here legally and you will get an earful. The problem with being a party (perceived as) advocating for illegal immigration is that they can't vote.
The nice thing about this enemy is that they broadcast what they are going to do. The unfortunate thing is that the media and some democrats will not allow for effective measures to negate it.
They were bitching about Chinee & Cholo jobs thieves because they are not white.
I don't recall Bannon being aggrieved at the US under El Jefe looking to prop up British trade in the wake of UK losses upon departure from the common EU market.
It's white triumphalism, if not white supremacy, all day every day.
Cholo Brothers rule! With apologies to those who don't know the history of animation.
I don’t know? Maybe grow the F up?
You talking to me, boy? I’m all grown up, boy. Here you go, though.
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My vote is mine to give or withhold as I see fit. If someone wants my support they kinda need to pretend they share my basic values.
If you're so grown up how come you're still pissing yourself in public?
I do no such thing. Why does it get you off to think I do?
Let's see, who am I to believe? Justin? Or my lyin' eyes?
BAAAAANT! Thank you for playing, you goddamn loser.
It’s important to you that I’m a loser. I understand.
Chuckle. Whatever you need to say to live with yourself.
“More reasons for progressives like me to sit down and shut up. I wanted Elizabeth Warren to be President!”-Justin
What did you do to see that happen other than troll the internet in 2019-2020?
In Virginia, I actually canvassed a little bit for Warren in the Fall of 2019. She was not getting any traction. I stopped volunteering thinking it was futile. I went out the Sunday before the VA Primary, hoping her debate performances had turned things around, but she was weaker than she had been in November. I remember being linked to this Buttigieg supporter for most of the afternoon. It was not done by either campaign. We just happened to be working the same areas and our paths crisscrossed quite often. When I went home that evening, I heard on the radio, that Buttigieg was dropping out. I felt like there was no hope for Warren, and I didn’t want to be that Buttigieg guy on Monday, working for a candidate that would soon drop out. So I again quit canvassing and ended up voting for Biden, because Warren had no chance. That’s life, we don’t always get what we want and we suck it up to get the best alternative available.
I don’t like the enormous amount of money we spend on our “defense.” I have no idea why our national Democrats can’t speak to why we spent around $1.4 billion a year on defense if including the “off the books” War on Terror expenditures per year, and show that roughly $150-200 million per year spent on urgently needed infrastructure repair and upgrades that have been neglected for decades and investment in the American people and families is so ridiculous or “radical.”
I actually canvassed VA for this past Tuesday election. Carville is not wrong. Carville (I met him in 1994, not that impressed) is much more conservative than me, but his political instincts are correct. BLM, and confederate statues are a drag and cost us a certain amount of points, which may have been the difference in an election this close. McAuliffe ran a poor campaign, but the online left and national media did him no help.
You and the online left don’t really understand actual GE and Democratic Primary voters. You only amplify how your priors are always correct and speak for the masses, when you have no idea how they play outside your bubble. I talk to actual Democratic voters, leaners, and independents. We need them if we want to have easy 5-10 point wins or lose by up to 5 points.
The BLM and confederate statues issue come up in every campaign. Conservative and Moderate voters don’t care for it. They make up a minimum of 60% of the voters in the Virginia elections and sometimes as much as 70%. We can’t win without a sizable portion of them voting for the Democrats. Even in Democratic Primaries Liberals are not a majority, sometimes not even a plurality as moderates make up the biggest faction.
Reading you since Drum left MJ, you remind me of this VA voter.
Mid 30’s South Asian man: I could go either way. I always vote for the Democrats but I don’t like being blackmailed. I want to be happy.
This was a direct quote or the best of my recollection
He hated paying taxes. He hears 1.5-3.5 Trillion when he watches the news or reads the news. The national Democrats have been horrible on this messaging. A few weeks ago James Clyburn was on MSNBC and he stated from my memory “Voters are concerned about the price tag of the bill, Hallie (Jackson.) And they should be!” Ugh, not the optimal way to sell it to voters IMHO. 3.5 Trillion is a little over 2 years of defense spending if you count the War on Terror funding which was “off the books.” Why is this so hard for Democrats to have a good message and stick to it. Too often they try to be folksy or empathetic with voters concerns and they play into Republican or media framework of the bill is too expensive.
Back to this specific voter, he thought the Fairfax county schools were taking way too much money. Just incensed they worked in a nice office building. I mentioned my parents were teachers (it was my grandparents but I got flustered or was trying to sell him on seeing them as people). He backtracked about how he liked teachers, but administrators were horrible. Hated the ACA. Swore it raised prices for him. He has no idea what it was like pre-2009, because mom and dad were paying for his healthcare. Wanted either Medicare for All or no government subsidy at all just pure capitalist innovation. Just a petulant spoiled millennial that was upset everyone was not doing exactly the way he thought they should be done. Grew up upper middle class outside of Philly. He hated free college and student debt loan forgiveness. I explained that it was only for community college, and currently I didn’t think it was still on the table.
He was a little more amenable about that part, but still adamant that debt forgiveness was evil.
You are obviously more liberal or progressive whichever you identify than him, but you are both willing to burn the whole thing down if your prescriptions are not followed. You both are very prescriptive. It is ineffective at enabling the changes you claim to desire.
+1
Thanks for your efforts. We progressives also need to work harder to elect state and local candidates.
Thanks for the kind words.
very true--thank you.
Yes, thank you. You are doing the hardest work.
Thanks for the kind words.
This deserves a more thorough response than I can give at this time, but rest assured I am incapable of having any effect on our political system whatsoever. This is a key point, because if you imagine that our opinions or efforts make a difference at all, then that is the fundamental point of our disagreement. Personal policy preferences are irrelevant. I am powerless.
This is not mere cynicism on my part. It is a hard-nosed / clear-eyed observation about how our country works today. Whatever happens to this country - burned down etc. - will not be because of my desires, actions, or omissions. I'm merely an observer.
Sorry but you got duped by the Asian man. First off the "nice" building that houses the Fairfax County School Board, it's a dump of a building that I worked in during my crappy call center job time in the mid 1980s to help pay for college. Taxes in Fairfax aren't high but if you live in a McMansion in a good school district yeah you are paying more because housing prices went up. Anybody who leads with taxes isn't a Democrat, they are a lean Conservative voter, you wasted time with him, he was never going to vote for Terry Mac, he was the walking personification of GOP talking points.
Confederate Statues - hell yeah knock every last statue down. I always found them scary and intimidating as in you are not welcome here. I'm white, northern European ancestry with family that lived in NYC area going back to early 19th century - some fought in Union army to preserve the Union. To me knocking the statues down is a highly important step in moving beyond the Civil War. We were stuck in all that civil war lost cause crap, Virginia needed to move on stop living in the past.
This election was lost because Terry was running as it was still 2020, he should have ran on his vision for a post-Trump, post-Covid Virginia.
The building was not built until 1989, so you didn’t work there in the mid 1980s. It is not crappy in any sense unless you have Trump’s aesthetics and are utilizing cognitive dissonance. It is the main building for the FCS administration. I am not sure if the school board has offices in that building. I walked the backwoods and grounds of the facility twice last weekend, and it is very nice.
In terms of tax rates, Fairfax has the third highest average effective tax rate of all the counties in Virginia. So, it may not be high compared to other parts of the country, but it is high for Virginia. The tax rate for the cities tend to be significantly higher and there are 9 cities with higher rates. It is about 2/3’s the tax rate of the county he grew up. He has sticker shock as he moves into providing for a family of four. He two kids under the age of 6. A decade ago he had no wife or kids, and could get by on cheap insurance probably living in an apartment.
I didn’t write he lead with taxes. I only wrote what he stated I could remember verbatim. He stated that a few minutes into the conversation. He was not on my contact list. The person on my list had moved, and he answered the door. He had lived there for around a year. His address was at the end of my list, so I engaged in conversation with him, because I had time to kill waiting for my canvassing partner who was going to be another 30 minutes or more. He had a 2018 Kaine sticker on his or his wife’s car. There was an Obama lithograph in his hallway. I have never seen such commitment to fooling a canvasser.
58 or 59% of the voters in the election wanted to keep confederate statues up according to MSNBC exit polling. We could have won if that number was 55% or lower. That means that at least 6-7% of those people voted for McAuliffe. It is not about how you feel about it. When I came to Virginia as a preteen I was appalled and shocked by them. Whenever I would go to Richmond or Portsmouth in the past twenty years, I was flabbergasted they were still up. We still have to win a portion of those types of voters if we want to win a race in Virginia for the next decade or two. I wish it were different, but that is the electorate we have persuade to win statewide. If a voter is upset about it, I try to stress they never should have been erected in the first place, and it is progress in forming a more perfect union while not continuing to cater to a treasonous war’s lost cause. It works with most, but obviously not all.
People on both sides conservative and liberals, Northerners and Southerners don’t really give a shit about the Civil War. I have lived here for decades, and I had never been to a Civi War battlefield. So this year in honor of Juneteenth, I went to Antietam. July 4th, I went to Gettysburg, and Columbus Day, I went to Bull Run/Manassas. People need to walk those battlefields and realize if people were willing to hump 50 miles in two days in order to get slaughtered and slaughter Americans to defend slavery what their ideological descendants will be willing to do to keep the status quo. So far we are not up to that task those Union soldiers faced. Oh, and they had horrible leadership to in McClellan, Pope, Burnside, and Hooker, but they kept fighting, They didn’t hide out on the internet fantasizing about that one neat magic trick to fix everything or retreat to political nihilism.
I will respond to this now, though.
"What did you do to see that happen other than troll the internet in 2019-2020?"
As it happens, the South Carolina took place on February 29, 2020. Mr. Biden was anointed the nominee the next day. I didn't even have a chance to vote or campaign in my home state. It was all over on March 1.
Now perhaps you can ask yourself why that was the case. Why is it that a couple of hundred thousand people in a deeply conservative state would determine the nominee for the Democratic party? In a country of 250,000,000 eligible voters. What is that? 0.1% of the voters? Interesting. How could that be?
Democrats don’t ‘anoint’ nominees, and we certainly don’t let the media do it, either. Biden had to win a string of primaries in a number of states across the country to become the candidate. But we failed to get the approval of Justin, who represents like 0.00000001% of US voters. Yawn.
I voted for him in November. As you point out, my vote any my opinion is of no consequence. So it doesn’t matter if I approve or disapprove. See? It doesn’t matter. Not one bit.
You don't even know what the term 'non sequitur' means, do you? Goddamn, you're ignorant.
Well sure. If that makes you feel better I’m happy to accommodate you.
The fact is, the Democratic Party is dead. Progressives ought to let it rot and bide their time. In any event, the policies they propose don’t help anyone but people who will never vote for democrats. I admire their altruism, but as political strategy it’s a loser.
Will you _please_ stop soiling yourself in public? Not a lot to ask.
You need for me to be wrong about something you care about. So you call me names. Got it.
Actually, thing is, you're only here to give big FU's to everybody and waiting for someone to respond. That is literally you're animating cause in life. Don't know what to tell you about that one, other that in my book that makes you a loser. But by all means, proceed.
You don't sound very progressive to me. More like a moderate, mainstream American.
The US military is a terrorist organization. Call me whatever you want. If you are at all interested in social justice or any decent treatment of actual US citizens, you have to recognize at some point that these war mongers are in your way.
Most of you are, it seems to me, in deep denial about this. So it is difficult to take your ideals and aspirations seriously.
Do you do anything other than lurk around sites like these hoping that people will respond to your FU's? Justin, we know what you're about, and it's beyond pathetic. Nothing you can say will change anyone's appraisal of your character at this point.
But you go right on doing you. The rest of us will just step around you. That is, if we don't stop to jeer at the geek.
But you don’t step around. For some reason I trigger this… response. Why is that?
Oh wait…. Are you a war criminal? You probably call yourself a veteran. I get it now. That’s why I trigger you. How many people have you killed?
The thing is, if you are close to the outside edge of a party's membership on anything substantial, you are going to have to accept disappointment no matter what.
Actual policy is always going to be determined by the last couple of Senators who sign on. The only hope is to shift the Overton window a bit, and that takes a lot of time and effort.
A lot of the things I want to see happen show no sign of happening soon, but we have seen some real improvements over my lifetime. I'm not about to give up, just because it may take a few decades to get more of what I think is important. Better to wait decades than never get it.
This is true. I have long understood that. But I’m unwilling to give my support to that party today. Why should I? Maybe you think I’m calculating that, on balance, my interests are still served by supporting democrats. Well maybe. I voted for Biden last year. But for now I’d say that just isn’t the case anymore. Maybe I think my interests are served by the chaos that comes with republicans controlling government. I don’t expect much. Chaos is clarifying.
They can’t hurt me anyway.
Lucky you. They can hurt a lot of other people, though. For many of us, being progressive means wanting to live in a country that takes care of all of its people and treats all fairly and justly.
When progressives enable the mass murder (sorry, honest mistakes) of the US government / military I question the sincerity of your stated desire for fairness and justice.
I notice that cracker Carville didn't point out any actual Democrats doing these things.
At this point, Carville is clearly acting out his humiliation sex roleplay with his wife Mary Matalin in public.
They both need to be brought up on public indecency.
I totally agree with you. As a republican, I think democrats should continue their leftward lurch. The more woke the better. Make sure you explain to republicans that they are all racists and that religion is bad. You can't let them be ignorant of the irrefutable facts.
I suppose what we need then is a Sistah Souljah moment.
Maybe Biden should attack Zendaya's dubious initial reaction to Timothee Chalamet in Dune, & how it exemplifies that the Negro does not approach any interaction with Wypipo in good faith, even when the person means well.
I think a lot of dem candidates next year will be cooking up Sistah Souljah moments.
As for the actors in Dune, I have no idea what you're talking about.
A lot of Republican candidates will be cooking up Donald Trump moments, in fact, they’re already doing it. As a Republican, doesn’t it upset you that (assuming you voted for Biden as you said you did) you are now a RINO and that Trump will be the person representing your former party until he dies?
Can we just dig up Ricky Ray Rector and have Biden personally inject the lethal drug cocktail? We can show we are tough on crime and thorough. “Yep, RRR is still dead.” Perhaps a bit gruesome, but in comparison to 1992 no one actually gets hurt.
I almost pulled a Justin and didn’t vote for Clinton in 1992, I was so upset at the way Clinton cynically played the execution. However, I realized I could not win a Democratic primary, and if that was what was necessary to win the GE, yuck I guess I have to accept it. Politics like life forces us to choose the least awful choice too often.
Were you also as upset as Tucker Carlson (!) was in 1999 when then Texas Gov. George W. Bush mocked the piety of the woman death row inmate's pleas for clemency?
If not, you are not a lifelong liberal Democrat but at best a Nixon-Ford-Reagan-Bush-Dole-Bush-Mc Cain-Rmoney-Trump Democrat.
Huh, did you read any of my responses to Justin? Maybe do a tiny bit of research before hurtling a slanderous accusation such as, “ If not, you are not a lifelong liberal Democrat but at best a Nixon-Ford-Reagan-Bush-Dole-Bush-Mc Cain-Rmoney-Trump Democrat.” My god man, that type of voter would have had a Chris Matthews “thrill up his leg” for that garbage. I deserve an F’ you for that ridiculousness, and regret ever thinking you had any idea what your have written.
I am yellow dog Democrat and have been since Watergate. Although I was not legally able to vote until the next decade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_dog_Democrat
I was a Brown man back in the 1992 primary. I caucused for him and had to waste an hour trying to get enough support to get any delegates to go forward out of our precinct. I failed, and everyone else went for Clinton. I said I could not support Clinton in the primaries and went home. I canvassed for him in the GE, but the RRR execution really upset me. During that campaign, I can’t explain Brown’s flat tax BS now, and certainly not then. My best guess? It was a Joe Trippi gimmick or Brown would make it more progressive while in office.
I have never voted for a Republican.
Bush was unfit for the job and that Tucker Carlson quote about Bush’s response to her plea for clemency crystallized it for anyone still unsure. At the time, the Texas Governor was the second least consequential governorship in the nation. Bush took credit for education and other improvements that were passed over his veto. Numerous other signs of his incompetence the media ignored or polished up to portray as the opposite. I read Media Whores Online and the Daily Howler religiously at the time. Hard to be upset when I was already quite aware Bush was a POS.
That was libel not slander. My lawyers have been notified. That was sarcasm if not obvious.
Woke ain't left though. Not in a Marxist or 2nd wave marxist. Left hegelians would call it "right wing"
That leftward lurch towards the center? The one where the vast majority of Americans want the wealthy to stop being tax deadbeats and scoflaws?
That lurch? Uh huh.
Well, perhaps progressives could try to improve their messaging and increase their numbers. And progressives in elected offices could think about which issues they might compromise on in order to get some of their priorities passed, as Rep. Jayapal is doing (I’ve been very impressed with the job she’s doing for the House Progressive Caucus).
I’ve decided that I am a Half-a-Loaf Progressive. Passing the BIF and even a pared-down BBB has the best chance of changing the media narrative about Biden and the Democrats, which will improve our chances of hanging on to Congress in 2022. Yes, historically, the President’s party loses seats in the midterm, but there have been exceptions. Let’s do our damndest to defy history.
I agree with you about Rep. Jayapal for the most part. However, she needs to have a poison pill to hold over Manchin and Sinema about the BIF to ensure the passage of BBB. There is no reason to trust Biden’s judgement on holding them to a yes vote. That press conference last week did us no favors, as it just reminded voters of the sausage making. I seriously doubt it was enough to change the result if VA, but cost us as much as a percentage or so IMHO.
I have no idea if a half loaf is enough, but I seriously doubt it. I think the lesson Biden should have learned form Obama’s first term was there is very little downside to going big and a huge one to going to small. I think he did understand it theoretically, but implementation has him stumped. He doesn’t have the vast majority of Democrats in the House and Senate that FDR and LBJ. Hard ball by threatening to kick out Manchin or Sinema just hands the Senate to McConnell. No good options unless Biden threatens to have the Squad in their home states every weekend from now until the end of their primaries to have “Woke Weekend Dance Parties” in there major population centers.
They needed to get this stuff hammered out over the summer and done by Labor Day or October first at the latest. There needed to be a come to Jesus moment about these two bills and some type of voting rights legislation for the progressives and the Hateful Eight. I think the Terrible Two of S and M are covering for 3-6 other Senators that are hiding behind those two being out in front on this issue.
I thought they were allowing to Manchin all his bipartisan negotiations to allow him to show that he did everything in his power, but the Republicans are recalcitrant to working on America’s problem. At that point, he would reluctantly have to sign these bills and ditch the filibuster. That plan failed or it was never really the plan. I have no idea what Biden is going to do at this point, and I am not sure his administration does either.
Simena is already on board.
At least on ACA, the problem wasn’t that Obama went too small - yes, progressives wanted more, but it really was an outstanding accomplishment to pass even a watered-down version of health care that Democrats had been putting forward for decades. The big problem was that Congressional Democrats ran away from it almost immediately. Of course the public wasn’t impressed by that.
I hope next year’s Democratic candidates will take the right lesson from 2010.
When I wrote about going big in Obama’s first term, I was referring only to the stimulus package. The ACA was going to be a tough sled no matter how it passed, what was in it, or left out. It would take too long to be fully enacted, and it would piss off almost everyone due to it being an overreach or not going far enough. It was a solid improvement that moved the ball forward on healthcare for Americans, only the second one since Truman’s failed plan in 1947 the Wagner-Murray-Dingell bill. Now that was a failed opportunity for America. I think an America that passed that bill would be more stable and secure.
Wanting the wealthy to pay for what they get is not 'progressive'. I really, really wish you would stop trying to sell 'pay for what you use' as a 'progressive' issue.
The NY Times, like other big media, has always been conservative economically while somewhat liberal culturally. So they are trying to spin the Virginia outcome as a rejection of leftist Democratic economics. But the majority in the country is in favor of the elements of Biden's BBB bill - they are not rejecting Democrats on economic grounds. Why they did not elect enough true Democrats to get Biden's agenda through in anything except cut-down form is very clear from what got Trump elected and what Youngkin concentrated on in his campaign - dog-whistle and (from Trump) blatant appeals to racism. Maybe Democrats lost votes because of reaction to various anti-racism activities in the last couple of years as well as Fox News propaganda, but that has essentially nothing to do with economic issues.
Our local races in Seattle had a similar vibe. The Seattle Times was in the bag for the more conservative (really moderate Dem) candidates claiming they could solve the homeless problem. What they really want is to walk back some tax increases on employers, but those are too popular to oppose outright.
"The only thing that's (almost) guaranteed is that next year's outrage will, subtly or otherwise, push racial hot buttons in Fox's audience. That's something that liberals need to figure out how to fight more effectively."
A general officer came in from his command at this juncture, and said to the general-in-chief, speaking rapidly and laboring under considerable excitement: "General Grant, this is a crisis that cannot be looked upon too seriously. I know Lee's methods well by past experience ; he will throw his whole army between us and the Rapidan, and cut us off completely from our communications."
The general rose to his feet, took his cigar out of his mouth, turned to the officer, and replied, with a degree of animation which he seldom manifested : "Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault, and land in our rear and on both of our flanks at the same time. Go back to your command, and try to think what we are going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do." The officer retired rather crestfallen, and without saying a word in reply.
"Campaigning with Grant", Horace Porter
I dunno. On the one hand:
- CRT brilliantly knits together the Trumpies/QAnon types, with their weird obsession with the "purity" of childhood and imagined demons kidnapping kids, and the suburban parents who dislike Trump on personal grounds because he's so vulgar yet are anxious for an excuse not to vote for the alternative ("I hate Trump but these liberals are trying to tell my kids to be ashamed of themselves! I can't vote for that!"). For that reason I think it might have legs.
On the other hand:
-- It's an off year, we should have expected to lose
-- Youngkin is so obviously a throwback to the Mitt Romney style of rapacious capitalist it's not even funny. In a national race he'd be ripped to shreds for all the stuff Romney was. Running a DC-revolving-door influence factory (Carlyle Group) that lived on government contracts and sending manufacturing jobs overseas. He may have good hair and a nice vest, but in any other context, those are symbols of your usual super villain. Guy owns a 31 acre horse farm outside DC and got it declared an environmental sanctuary to knock his taxes down by 95%. Sitting duck for a better politician (read: less compromised) than McAuliffe.
On the middle hand:
-- Youngkin's very slim win was a miracle of timing. Economy sucks, covid is still here, school just opened and parents are especially pissed about disruptions. Plus the Northern Virginia area which swung towards Youngkin (versus Trump, that is, though Youngkin didn't win there) is EXACTLY the kind of place which is most sensitive to the Afghanistan chaos. That area is FULL of defense contractors (remember: the Pentagon is in Northern Virginia, not in DC) who secretly, and not so secretly, would have preferred we stay forever paying $15 for each Meal Ready to Eat. In other words, a lot of people there had good personal reason to say "I'm going to stick it to those Democrats who ended my MRE-ticket."
Who knows what next year will be like, but we know it will be different.
CRT will be back...next Sept./Oct.
Good points. For all the strum nach drang about Loudon County, the Dems still carried it. Winning 51-49 percent is hardly a mandate but knowing the GOP, Trump will probably show up sometime next year staging a rally to demand Confederate statues be put back on Monument Square in Richmond.
Economy sucks.??? Nope.
I think that last should be on the gripping hand.
Economy most definitely doesn't suck. Unemployment is low, jobs are advertised everywhere, and wages are rising. Stock market is at ludicrous levels.
Anti-racist training is what people mean by CRT, and I don't have personal knowledge of what it's like in schools, but there's a lot of it in F500 companies. The trainers basically tell you that if you have white skin, you're oppressing PoC; that's the two sentence version of what I heard in the *4* mandatory courses on DEI that I had to take. Democrats aren't going to get anywhere by saying this stuff doesn't exist, when the voters actually have to listen to these classes and *know* it exists.
Oh, I disagree Kevin.
Pre-election comments from conservatives/Republicans/Trunpists in the Richmond VA paper were all about how BLM rioters and looters tore up the city (they didn't); how liberals were commies and socialists and fascists(!) and racists(!!); that CRT WAS being taught and transgender kids just want to rape their little girls; and nobody has the right to tell them what to do.
Post-election comments are all about the taxes they won't have to pay now; and look how inclusive and evolved they are because they elected a black female lt. gov. and a Cuban AG; and nobody will be telling their little darlings in school about the suffering of black people under slavery and the institutional biases that still affect them today; and they can't wait until we get a boatload of charter schools. The Republicans delegates can't wait to undo everything the Democrats have done in the last two years -- they're practically salivating at the thought.
Meanwhile the Washington Post had this today: (AP) — Republicans plan to forcefully oppose race and diversity curricula — tapping into a surge of parental frustration about public schools — as a core piece of their strategy in the 2022 midterm elections, a coordinated effort to supercharge a message that mobilized right-leaning voters in Virginia this week and which Democrats dismiss as race-baiting.
I wonder if Virginia's Black GQP lieutenant governor will turn out to be a stealth lesbian like the Florida lieutenant governor during Skeletor's regime.
Lowkey, I wonder if Jennifer Carroll was tied up in Matt Gaetz's sex crimes.
"What did you do to see that happen other than troll the internet in 2019-2020?"
You have to excuse Justin because he probably thinks trolling the internet is what counts as activism these days. And to be fair, back in the day when I was a Ron Paul supporter, I and many others used to believe the same thing too.
Boy, everyone who thinks they are an expert in politics because they write in online comment boxes or gets paid to write or say stupid things for a living, have a lot of advice for the Democrats. It's amazing how Republicans lose elections and there isn't the same kind of angst (other than Right media screaming "be more right-wing" if that's even possible). It's amazing how the much of regular media has such low expectations for the GOP as a political institution that basically allows them to escape this kind of navel gazing or if they do it's the stupid narrative of "civil war" in the party which never happens or doesn't exist because the party is in basic agreement on aims, just not the means. That's a lot different than a Democratic Party which does have politicians disagreeing on aims and means.
This is why people need stop harping on the "messaging" crap. I've heard it for 40 damn years and it's still the same. It's crap because a diverse political party is going to have a hard time coming up with a single "message" unless there's an unpopular Republican President which makes the messaging rather easy ("Orange Man Bad"). Thus it's no coincidence Democrats make their most gains in elections when there's a unpopular Republican President or if that President (ala Eisenhower or Reagan) enacts unpopular policies while being personally popular. So all those fearing a return of Donald Trump, just think of the elections you will be winning down ballot and the unified party you will have when he's back in the White House. It never fails.
Yes the Dems need to focus not their message but their actions on passing legislation and making government work well for the good of the country. But they also have to accept the fact even if they do do these things its not going to automatically translate into electoral success because reasons why people vote the way they do are as a ridiculous as the reasons they shop the way shop, what items they decide to buy and how, how they cook their food, and all sorts of decisions they make day in and out. Because they're just people with all the foibles which have come the human race throughout the centuries.
Here's a good example of what I'm talking about from my home state of Wisconsin. I think if the Dems pushed a good anti-trust economic message, it would help a lot in rural areas but it doesn't mean they will carry these areas. At best we're talking a 60-40 split rather than 85-15. That's makes a big difference in statewide races as we saw Tuesday and some locations, like Wisconsin, statewide races are all the Dems can win right now. Even if the state legislative maps were fair in Wisconsin (and as everyone knows they're not) the Dems still wouldn't control the legislature, could only take control in a wave elections , wouldn't control them by many votes and wouldn't be able to hold the legislature for very long. Bottom line is people vote what they believe their values, their tribes, interests you name it rather than specific policy proposals or even whether one party or the other puts money in their pockets. The Dems have been voting to put money in people's pocket, especially recently, and it still doesn't matter to most voters. Of bigger concern to voters in these parts are guns, abortion, their hatred of big cities and yes, for many, their dislike of people of color. The Republican Party wins votes because for many they're the white party. The collapse of the Dem vote in rural areas, small towns and small cities is very, very real for all these reasons. From 1971 to 1995 the Democratic Party controlled the state legislature in Wisconsin because that power rested on backs of lots of rural Democrats. They really don't exist anymore except isolated pockets and thus you have the political scene you have.
And that's why even with a strong and successful economic "message" these culture war questions will come up and continue to come up again and again and again. Because the country is changing and there's no stopping it. It's becoming more diverse in both look and thought even in those so-called And a lot people don't like it and vote that way in "backlash." The Right knows this and like a shark which has to keep swimming to live, it has to promote culture war i.e it cannot accept and protests change in order for it to exist. Yes defund the police was voted down in Minneapolis but a Black Lives Matter activist was elected to the Des Moines, Iowa city council. The Minneapolis City Council is now majority non-white and still has plenty of far-Lefties on it.
But that added diversity doesn't mean automatic success for the Democrats by sheer demographics. Even with the GOP being the "white party" the fact that non-white candidates were elected to state office as Republicans is a good thing and the more the better, because it forces the Democrats to stop taking those voters for granted and it will force the party to stop listening to "leaders" of various activist groups who white liberals believe speak for the whole community. No, they only speak for the far Leftist activists of that community . No group is a monolith and if we want to promote and celebrate real diversity it has to be both in color and in thought as well.
Now, if we can only find and elect a white evangelicals as Democrats and I'm damn serious when I say this.
Was this a reply to my reply to Justin? Doesn’t really matter, I am just having a hard time following this comment thread.
Mostly good points, but I am going to critique a few pieces I have concerns or don’t believe accurate.
“So all those fearing a return of Donald Trump, just think of the elections you will be winning down ballot and the unified party you will have when he's back in the White House.”
You had mentioned earlier in your reply that you fell for Ron Paul’s snake oil. I am assuming you follow politics more closely now, and are better able to ascertain the discrepancies between what one preaches and his actions. They may state something is very important or even cherished while stumping for your votes, but then you realize, they don’t actually ever push or vote for legislation that is supposedly so important.
Here is the problem as I analyze it. When Trump first ran, I feared it was the end of this Democratic Constitutional Republic. Now, I know it will be the end if he wins another term. Trump’s first term he was incompetent beyond even my low expectations, I have been following him for almost 4 decades. However, even as lazy and intellectually dull as he is by his last year he had started to work out how government and especially the Executive Branch works. It was not enough to put in flunkies like Barr and Sessions in the top spots. He had to have loyalists throughout the Federal agencies. He will have that next time, and if has that, he will not be contained.
At first I thought when Biden won, we would get off relatively lucky by following the Kark Marx quote of “History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.” However, after it became apparent that Trump was doing everything he could to overturn the election, I realized we were headed for the other quote attributed (incorrectly?) to Mark Twain, “History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes.” Hitler wasn’t Hitler until after the Beer Hall Putsch, Trump wasn’t Trump until January 6th of last year. I am afraid Biden is Hindenburg, a very old elder statesman trying to return us to a normalcy that never existed, but is impossible after a precedent has been shattered. We will finally become the Banana Republic we have been edging towards ever since Watergate.
“I think if the Dems pushed a good anti-trust economic message, it would help a lot in rural areas but it doesn't mean they will carry these areas. At best we're talking a 60-40 split rather than 85-15.”
I don’t see anything beyond 70-30 in the short to medium term. The Democrats never answered RW radio in the 1980s, cable news in the 1990s, and now the cesspool of the internet this century. These things could and should have been highly regulated, but there was so much money to be made and donors to be kept happy. So here we are with a sizable percentage of Americans believing Q and other insidious garbage. It is a toxicity that can’t be contained under laissez faire capitalism. I have midwestern family members that voted for Clinton and the occasional Democratic governor. They haven’t done that for a quarter century, no matter how fall their towns and counties fall into the abyss. It all started with Rush Limbaugh.
“Now, if we can only find and elect a white evangelicals as Democrats and I'm damn serious when I say this.”
How is this possible? I grew up in the evangelical church in the Midwest. However, if you reject the church and embrace Jesus’ actual teachings you are no longer part of the community. So few of my family have ever read the actual Bible, and the few that have never read it critically. I tried to talk to my mom about it once, and I got her to admit she had never read it. They had two books in her household when she was growing up, the Bible and Pilgrim’s Progress. They had no TV and she did not read either book. I have never been able to fathom not going insane in that house growing up. I don’t think they did anything but gossip about everyone else in the town of 160 people.
Empathetic caring people that were born into Evangelical families, I would say leave the church and become agnostics or atheists. I am sure some still believe and stay in the church. Maybe there are healthy communities, but I have never come across one.
I lived in a town of about 800 people in the 1980s, and I thought the Catholics were much healthier. They had these huge Churches that averaged 400-800 people at Mass on Sunday. However, it confused me because Bobby went town X, and Cindy went to town Y, and Darrell went to town Z. These were equivalent or smaller towns that were 5-15 miles away. We lived 12 miles outside a town of around 20,000 and none of them went to any of the Catholic churches there. I asked them one day why they didn’t all go to the same church? “Oh well the one in X is Irish, the one in Y is German, the one in Z is Polish, and the one in the big town is Italian.” I said, “Ok,” because it made no sense to me. So, they may not have been as healthy as I had originally thought. I wonder if they had to consolidate some of those churches, because those towns have lost 50% or more of their population since then.
Poor example. This is nothing like 1932 Germany. It was the crux of the great collapse and liberal parties were in trouble. Nazism was just another form of left-hegelian dialectics.
America is a debt liquidation and dollar collapse from mass famine and rural collapse. Suburban destruction. The debt party has not yet ended. It's the only reason Trumpco is still around. Post collapse it will be farther away than sheet. All grifts end.
"What did you do to see that happen other than troll the internet in 2019-2020?"
You have to excuse Justin because he probably thinks trolling the internet is what counts as activism these days. And to be fair, back in the day when I was a Ron Paul supporter, I and many others used to believe the same thing too.
Boy, everyone who thinks they are an expert in politics because they write in online comment boxes or gets paid to write or say stupid things for a living, have a lot of advice for the Democrats. It's amazing how Republicans lose elections and there isn't the same kind of angst (other than Right media screaming "be more right-wing" if that's even possible). It's amazing how the much of regular media has such low expectations for the GOP as a political institution that basically allows them to escape this kind of navel gazing or if they do it's the stupid narrative of "civil war" in the party which never happens or doesn't exist because the party is in basic agreement on aims, just not the means. That's a lot different than a Democratic Party which does have politicians disagreeing on aims and means.
This is why people need stop harping on the "messaging" crap. I've heard it for 40 damn years and it's still the same. It's crap because a diverse political party is going to have a hard time coming up with a single "message" unless there's an unpopular Republican President which makes the messaging rather easy ("Orange Man Bad"). Thus it's no coincidence Democrats make their most gains in elections when there's a unpopular Republican President or if that President (ala Eisenhower or Reagan) enacts unpopular policies while being personally popular. So all those fearing a return of Donald Trump, just think of the elections you will be winning down ballot and the unified party you will have when he's back in the White House. It never fails.
Yes the Dems need to focus not on their message but their actions on passing legislation and making government work well for the good of the country. But they also have to accept the fact even if they do do these things its not going to automatically translate into electoral success because reasons why people vote the way they do are as a ridiculous as the reasons they shop the way shop, what items they decide to buy and how, how they cook their food, and all sorts of decisions they make day in and out. Because they're just people with all the foibles which have come the human race throughout the centuries.
Here's a good example of what I'm talking about from my home state of Wisconsin. I think if the Dems pushed a good anti-trust economic message, it would help a lot in rural areas but it doesn't mean they will carry these areas. At best we're talking a 60-40 split rather than 85-15. That's makes a big difference in statewide races as we saw Tuesday and some locations, like Wisconsin, statewide races are all the Dems can win right now. Even if the state legislative maps were fair in Wisconsin (and as everyone knows they're not) the Dems still wouldn't control the legislature, could only take control in a wave elections , wouldn't control them by many votes and wouldn't be able to hold the legislature for very long. Bottom line is people vote what they believe their values, their tribes, their personal interests you name it rather than specific policy proposals or even whether one party or the other puts money in their pockets. The Dems have been voting to put money in people's pocket, especially recently, and it still doesn't matter to most voters. Of bigger concern to voters in these parts are guns, abortion, their hatred of big cities and yes, for many, their dislike of people of color. The Republican Party wins votes because for many they're the white party. The collapse of the Dem vote in rural areas, small towns and small cities is very, very real for all these reasons. From 1971 to 1995 the Democratic Party controlled the state legislature in Wisconsin because that power rested on backs of lots of rural Democrats. They really don't exist anymore except isolated pockets and thus you have the political scene you have.
And that's why even with a strong and successful economic "message" these culture war questions will come up and continue to come up again and again and again. Because the country is changing and there's no stopping it. It's becoming more diverse in both look and thought even in those rural areas and small towns and cities And a lot people don't like it and vote that way in "backlash." The Right knows this and like a shark which has to keep swimming to live, it has to promote culture war i.e it cannot accept and protests change, in order for it to exist. Yes abolish the police was voted down in Minneapolis but a Black Lives Matter activist was elected to the Des Moines, Iowa city council. The Minneapolis City Council is now majority non-white and still has plenty of far-Lefties on it.
But that added diversity doesn't mean automatic success for the Democrats by sheer demographics. Even with the GOP being the "white party" the fact that non-white candidates were elected to state office as Republicans in Virginia is a good thing and the more the better, because it forces the Democrats to stop taking those voters for granted and it will force the party to stop listening to "leaders" of various activist groups who white liberals believe speak for the whole community. No, they only speak for the far Leftist activists of that community. No group is a monolith and if we want to promote and celebrate real diversity it has to be both in color and in thought as well.
Now, if we can only find and elect a white evangelicals as Democrats and I'm damn serious when I say this.
It was elected in a all Democratic electorate. A electorate they do not need.
good post
Thanks!
Justin refuses to get up off his butt and do any, you know, real work. Like door-to-door canvassing, phone-banking, etc. He thinks that sort of thing beneath him. Which is why after twenty-odd years of trolling and writing words in little comment boxes he still has zero influence in the Democratic party.
Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, our Justin.
Some issues will just get harder for Fox. When all the insurance companies start to treat climate change as a serious financial risk -- this trend is already underway -- Fox will have to STFU about climate change denialism. Of course, it will be too late to do anything about it, but there was little chance of action on it anyway.
Kevin: "[CRT] only resurfaced now because Fox News decided it should"
No. Fox News amplified the CRT theme, but there have been several instances in the news where CRT-adjacent policies are being proposed or enacted:
Eliminate competitive admissions at San Francisco's Lowell High School
Eliminate Gifted and Talented programs in New York (DeBlasio)
Limit advanced courses in Virginia high schools until the 11th grade
California proposed Revised Math Framework that cites A Pathway to Equitable Math Instruction which declares "white supremacy culture" as one that includes:
- The focus is on getting the “right” answer.
- Perfectionism
- Objectivity
- Students "showing their work" in standardized ways
- etc.
Which is a complete negation of mathematics instruction and proof.
Check it out, it's a remarkable document
https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/1_STRIDE1.pdf
Parents are less concerned with teaching CRT than they are about their children's opportunities to get a good education.
Which makes CRT easy to reject. As Sherrod Brown's people told me in Ohio. Keep a bland state message. Go into rural counties and "chew the fat". He interestingly won some counties in northwest ohio.
So if your candidates in the rust belt in 2022. You got the leeway to not only reject CRT to the Republican candidate, but call them globalist scum who will steal your jobs and eat your children. North Carolina has some overlap.
Dems gotta remember, while the black vote is low in those 4 states, half of them don't like CRT either. Microtarget certain black voters. Stop trying to get 90% stuff. That is over. Youngkin got 27% of the black vote in Virginia.
Sherrod Brown is a good politician and Democrats should study how he engages with the electorate. You are right that microtargeting gets better results, especially in a state like Ohio.
He may not be replicable. He has had the power of incumbency and got elected statewide when Ohio was still a swing purple state. It is a solidly red one now. Him, Manchin, and Tester are most likely the last Democrats we will see out of those states for a decade or two unless something drastically changes.
Lol,what??. Montana has been a red state forever. Ohio went big with Reagan/Bush. Educate yourself. You sound ignorant.
With the exception of the Lincoln Project, who are not even Dems, I continue to be somewhat frustrated that the Dems never actually attack Republicans, when it is so easy to do so.
Republicans have the following formula. First, take a "liberal" position. Second, misrepresent the position in the extreme. Third ....... well, there is no third.
While it is likely accurate from a structural point of view to not "take the argumentative bait" - i.e., not spend all day attempting to convince Republicans that the are being lied to, I want to know how come we don't do the same thing.
Republicans are so wide open. I don't know why we don't call them the "slavery party" - they are in favor of statues of former slavers, they are in favor of American workers toiling for slave wages, they are in favor of the same health benefits slaves got, etc. etc. etc.
There is probably some good reason I am just not seeing other than the fact that its unethical.
The Repubs do this, not because an of it is true, but because it helps their turnout.
Don't forget the black role in evangelical Christian movement. Even Billy Graham admitted it. They are a a huge influence on modern nondenominational Christian junk. Most of the CRT/BLM is a northern thing. Down South, Democrats are leaking black voters, "going home". It isn't going to get better. Yet, blacks make up a minute part of the northern vote, which is now shrinking.
Democratic party bosses live a outdated voting block. They probably know that. Now use a candidate and give it a whirl. A Tim Ryan would be a ideal front man:
A. Reject CRT, racial justice con activists "excessive" and "ignorant" . If that means taking them on, good
B. Attack Republicans as job sucking globalists. Probably was always going to happen
C.Triangulate Republicans on immigration by blaming their globalist system and attack Dems who care about illegal immigrants more than their own workers
D. It's not Green energy, but Clean energy. Get back to clean coal aka 2000's message. Zero carbon is a scam. Not possible without destroying the economy. They know it. Green New Deal types lie.
Where's a poor social libertarian/economic populist who believes in free speech to go these days? Neither of the two parties.
I will support the one that keeps out of my personal business the most, and right now that's the Republicans. I have campaigned for Obama, and supported Warren/Sanders. But I can't support this free-speech-stifling Democratic Party.
The progressive social values are intrusive and against the grain of anyone except the true believers. Keep insisting on supporting this at your own peril.
“Where's a poor social libertarian/economic populist who believes in free speech to go these days? Neither of the two parties.” You left out fascist curious.
You are not concerned about personal business, because the Republicans are in our bedrooms and doctors’ offices. Republicans are stifling academics’ free speech such as in the University of Florida not allowing expert testimony in voter suppression cases by their professors.
You think anyone buys your online self-identification?
fyi,
https://i.redd.it/p1m903ow0tx71.png
We need to support out Black and Brown brothers. That is all.
Lol, you realize why this post doesn't work??? Don't you.
Please, everybody on Earth,
you can stop using Trump as a verb any fucking day now.