There are an awful lot of people that Donald Trump and his MAGA allies want to send to prison:
- Joe Biden
- Hunter Biden
- Dr. Fauci
- Hillary Clinton
- Alvin Bragg
- Fani Willis
- Peter Strzok and Lisa Page
- Bill Barr
- Mark Milley
- John Kelly
Am I missing anyone? Probably. Gonna be busy times at the Department of Justice if Trump wins.
And the Democrats have already indicted:
Donald Trump
Mark Meadows
Rudy Giuliani
Steve Bannon
Peter Navarro
Etc, etc.
No one is above the law, blah, blah, blah.
And I can name every criminal act those Republicans committed, not just "vibes."
Just look at all the Trump associates/employees that have either plead guilty or been convicted of crimes:
Roger Stone
Elliott Broidy
Paul Manafort
Sydney Powell
Jenna Ellis
Rick Gates
Peter Navarro
Michael Flynn
Allen Weisselberg
Michael Cohen
Steve Bannon
Don't feed the troll. It only leaves its droppings to get attention. Starve the troll.
The difference is that your list contains people who indisputably committed felonies whereas Kevin's list contains no one other than Hunter who has any evidence they committed crimes. And literally, no one campaigned on prosecuting any of those people. (The claim that Bragg or Willis promised to prosecute Trump is a bald face lie.) And for Hunter's drug crime, millions of americans are guilty of that crime and unless there are extenuating circumstances that also don't exist in the Hunter case, none will ever be prosecuted or even investigated. Similarly with the tax crimes, every other american would have the case treated civilly, i.e. once Hunter paid the fines, interest and taxes, (which he did in 2000), the matter would be closed.
Mr. Kevin Drum? Rachel Maddow and the entire on air staff at MSNBC? I mean, the list is endless.
Obama
Republicans are running on using the government to pursue illegal ends by illegal means.
Their agenda is crime. It's who they are.
WWSD (What Would Stalin Do)?
In related news, Nigel Farage shows his true colors,
NATO and EU ‘Provoked’ Ukraine War, Reform UK’s Farage Says,
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-06-21/nato-and-eu-to-blame-for-ukraine-war-reform-uk-s-farage-says
Trump wants to suppress the whole popultaion, like his pals (Putin, Xi, Kim) are doing, and that what he is going to do if he wins.
By writing like this you are helping him to pretend that he will be just a little out of line, rather than redical destruction of democracy and the rule of law.
conservatives have always preferred jailhouse locks over john locke
This indeed! Hahaha isn't he slightly scary but still kinda cute, good thing *I* won't get rounded up.
So, if Trump wins, should Biden attend the inauguration or should he fear arrest and watch from another country? Hillary too? What is a reasonable response to all of these public statements combined with Project 2025?
According to Trump, the sitting VP can declare any winner he (or she) wants in front of Congress. Just ask Pence.
"Antifa".
Which will be the term for anyone opposed to whatever pogrom is the fashion at the time.
(spoiler alert!) just read mein kampf for coming attractions
You have to read the original German version, the English translation sold in the U.S. was expurgated to remove a lot of the good stuff so as to not alarm Americans.
What does the Justice department have to do with all this? The mob will bring out the guillotine at 12:02 ET on Jan 20 2025.
Pence?
I'm willing to start with:
-- Any LGBTQIA+ people who don't immediately dive for the nearest closet
-- Pretty much any Democratic politician or activist on the merest pretense
-- Random non-White / non-Christianist people, because non-White / non-Christianist.
Good Germans never really thought the silly little Austrian corporal meant what he was saying about the Jews. They never really believed all those stories about "camps" either.
Honestly, what else does he have to SAY?!? What would it TAKE for you to actually hear it?
With Trump, who knows? He might line up all his perceived enemies against a wall Chicago mob style or he might do nothing. Just depends on how he’s feeling on a particular day or who he wants to pander to in a particular moment. Trump and his minions have been talking about deporting 12-20 million people lately. Yet the news today is him saying he’d give green cards to people who get a degree from a community college, apparently in an attempt to pander to the tech industry.
He’s all over the place. If anointed President he will say whatever it is he wants to do is in line with his campaign promises. Because he has a quote for every position.
He wanst to suppress the population ("keeping the countery strong" in his words), and he will go straight to that as fast as possible.
The rest is noise.
No Mike Pence?
I suppose this is your way of suggesting that Trump will complete the job that the J6 folks failed to do, and therefore the issue of being prosecuted is moot.
No Barack Obama?
Granted, if he tried to take Obama into custody while in Hawaii, it might trigger a revolt against the colonialist government (that overthrew the monarchy and the Hawaii nation), triggering widespread violence with the people seizing Pearl Harbor, Barbers Point, Schofield, and the Kaneohe Marine Base, setting Trump up for a showdown with the breakaway nation. So maybe he'll pass on Obama.
Nawiliwili too!
Speaking of Kauai, forgot about the Missile Range and Sandia Labs.
Does the US have an extradition treaty with the nation of Hawaii?
There won't be jails per se, but you won't be able to go beyond the borders of the enclosure, and there will be an ever increasing number of individuals relegated there as their tastes become indiscriminate.
Keep in mind that Trump is incompetent, and consider his challenges. First he has to pull off replacing the DOJ head, and two or three levels of staff below the head, to get the DOJ to start investigating Trump opponents when there is no evidence of crimes to begin with. So Trump has to convince them to corruptly begin investigations. They have to agree to begin their work based on lies. And then he has to convince them to corruptly issue indictments. And he has to convince prosecutors to corruptly prosecute the cases. I think Trump will be hard-pressed to find MAGA lackeys willing to do all this who also meet the minimum qualifications (law degrees and so on) for the top jobs in the DOJ.
These MAGA lackeys in the DOJ won’t be complete Trump cultists. They will know that Trump uses people up and then tosses them under the bus. So each day they have to ask themselves if committing corrupt acts is personally worth it.
Also, say Trump does replace a lot of leaders in the DOJ. The remaining 100,000 or so workers in the DOJ may revolt.
Hmm, when in the process do we start protesting loudly in the streets? And when does the next impeachment start?
The Nazis managed to find 100,000 lower level people to operate the trains carrying Jews and other minorities to the camps, guard the camps, feed the soldiers at the camps, install and daily operate the ovens/showers used to kill them, remove and dump all the bodies, record the deaths in official logs, etc.
If the Nazis could get all those people to participate in a process that literally resulted in millions of innocent deaths, I have no doubt the DOJ can find 100,000 people to help the DOJ illegitimately prosecute a few hundred or thousand Democrats.
As for your concern about what happens after Trump is no longer in charge to pardon all those low level lackeys, (1) by and large nothing happened to the tens of thousands of low level people (cafeteria workers, janitors, train operators, etc) who helped the Nazis do the holocaust and (2) who’s to say Trump will ever not be in charge again after he functionally abolishes how the electoral college is supposed to work and has his loyal electors and/or members of the House install Ivanka as his successor.
In authoritarian countries, you can always find 100,000 people and more to do the dirty work. This is in part due to the government takeover of the media. Consider Russia today. Putin uses the media to convince people that the Russian military is doing great deeds today in Ukraine. Hitler did the same.
But we are far from an authoritarian country where free speech and a free media are shut down. Trump won’t manage to gain this kind of power. We’d have a civil war first.
This is why he wants to make as many as possible of what are now civil service positions hired on qualifications into patronage positions, appointed on the basis of stated loyalty to Conald.
Bush the Lesser did some of this with hiring for Justice and for positions in Iraq, based on graduating from a fundie religious college and loyalty to Shrub, and/or their names being on some Federalist Society or similar list.
Liz Cheney?
Michael Cohen?
Stormy Daniels?
George Conway?
Jack Smith?
Richard Comey?
If Biden loses, he should issue a few thousand pardons to protect these people from Il Duce's kangaroo DOJ.
Very very naive to expect a pardon from Biden to stop Trump from doing anything.
It could insulate those folks from US DOJ prosecution, but would have to be broadly worded. It would not stop the abuse of these people and the mob who may go after them at Orange Jesus's command.
That Orange fuck is going to pardon a whole lot of guilty felons, including Steve Bannon, Peter Navarro, all his convicted and/or indicted lawyers, and all the Jan 6th terrorists (including the Proud Boys). Would be hard to claim that a Presidential pardon is invalid after he issues a few hundred on day one of his 2nd Reich.
I think Yehouda's point is that Trump won't honor pardons issued by Biden. You see, Biden's not even a legitimate president so how could he issue pardons?
Partially correct.
He is not going to honor Biden's pardons, and he is not going to honer the laws, and he is not going to honor the constitution, and he is not going to honor the courts.
He is going ot destroy American democracy, intentionally.
Jesus of Nazareth, for his commie talk against greed and for holding on to the title of messiah when the patent expired.
Cults, demagogues and authoritarians are always kinda comical and silly as long as they are going after others. Once they come for you and yours, it becomes serious.
But until that day....whatevs!
You missed Merrick Garland.