One of the big sticking points in the negotiations for tighter border security revolves around the Biden administration's use of parole. Until about an hour ago, I had wondered what the big deal was. In January Biden unveiled a parole program for Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans (CHNV parole) that allowed them to come into the country temporarily if they had a US sponsor. But it only applied to 30,000 immigrants, so it hardly seemed like a major issue.
But no! It's 30,000 immigrants per month. I had missed that. It's admitted more than 200,000 immigrants so far. But that's not all:
If you add up everything, including DACA, 3.6 million immigrants have entered the US under parole since Biden was inaugurated, and 2.3 million are still here. If we take out DACA, that comes to about 500,000 immigrants per year. This compares to roughly 1.9 million who have crossed the border illegally this year, so it's a significant number.
On the other hand, it's still only about a quarter of the total. Significant, but not overwhelming. I understand how this is an issue, but it hardly seems like an insurmountable one.
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Politically Biden wants a deal. Why?
1. weak polling on immigration
2. overall weak polling numbers
3. he wants to trade immigration for Ukraine aid
4. he wants to appear bi partisan
In contrast, I SUSPECT, the Republicans will not now agree to anything close to an immigration deal, acceptable for most Democrats. Politically, why would the Republicans agree to anything, unless it was very one sided?
Thus, I doubt that parole is the major real issue.
i would suppose that there are republicans in favor of supporting ukraine and israel who might be amenable to a compromise of some sort on the border.
There are no Republicans who will compromise with Democrats and that’s especially the case with immigration. The Republican Party is now a party of “blood and soil” and that means no immigrants are welcome. Trump’s wry explicitly evoking Hitler in his rallies. Either the Republican Party goes or the country will be permanently changed in much the same way that Germany was changed by Hitler and the Nazi Party.
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mitch
let's ASSUME every one of them got a work permit and a job. under the GOP they go home and 500,000 jobs automatically appear needing to be filled.
inflation turns into a conflagration and many republican business owners are leftholding the bag. of course it's NOT THAT bad but the next president will be inan unenviable position trying to find enough workers to fill that void.
this could turn out to be another self inflicted wound
He doesn't want to trade immigration for Ukraine aid. That's solely a republican desire. He want to reduce the number of ineligibles dying on the trip to the USA. And he wants to reduce the bad press. (Despite the fact that illegal immigration is still much lower than the years around 2000. )
If asylum rules call for a hearing before a judge, then we should have enough judges to hold those hearings without a multi-year backlog. It's ridiculous that Congress writes immigration laws and then fails to provide the resources necessary to enforce them.
for republicans, it's much more valuable to have the border as an issue than to actually solve it.
+1
Biden asked for more money for immigration judges, and money for that purpose was added to the supplemental (which also includes money for Ukraine, money for Israel, money for Customs and Border Patrol, and a bunch of humanitarian aid). Republicans are, of course, blocking this bill.
It's a little more than that.
At its core, this is a debate on whether those folks coming here should be allowed to find jobs in the US. To conservatives, the CHNV parole program is a free-to-lie work program, if temporary, for anyone from CHNV.
If the unemployment rate were closer to 6% than 3.7%, there would be a lot more people upset at Biden, under the impression that these parolees were taking jobs away from Americans.
Politically, this is a hot potato. And yet, the Mother of Exiles said, "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
But yeah, reject anyone deemed unworthy to be American, because we are not equal in the eyes of God. /S
Ukraine defeating Russia is more important than well being of brown people of the same race as me.
Temporary... like TPS, which has people temporarily protected for virtually a generation.
Yes, but the remittances sent back home helps to stem future immigration
Do they?
Good question. I can't find the article I read discussing this, but I did find a UN report saying:
""It is fair to say that, in poor rural areas, remittances can help to make migration a choice rather than a necessity for so many young people and for future generations," explained Mr. Houngbo."
There's a lot more involved. One of the things is that it takes time for the new group of immigrants to get jobs to be able to start sending money home.
oops...here's the link:
https://www.un.org/en/desa/remittances-matter-8-facts-you-don%E2%80%99t-know-about-money-migrants-send-back-home
Omg. Not 3.6m people! Meanwhile per WWII we had similar numbers of people just arriving at Ellis island, but most of them had the correct shade of skin color, so basically nobody cared.
Not necessarily true. At the time of the revolution the English worried about all the German immigrants. Then the Germans received “whites status” and the German and English-Americans proceeded to worry about all the Irish immigrants. It was only after a considerable period of time that Irish, Slavs, Italians and others were eventually granted “white status”.
This.
It’s ongoing, same story, different trumped-up reasons to hate the newcomers, but it all boils down to “they’re not like us”.
In my family (Jews from Romania and Belarus) we always knew we weren’t “real Americans”. They didn’t like us. In our case it was that we were dirty (translate poor), clannish (funny that, when we were hated), and clever (not in a good way, meaning conniving).
When someone (e.g. co-worker) appears to dislike me without an obvious cause, that old feeling “maybe it’s because I’m a Jew “ comes back.
Nobody ever told me I could grow up to be president (still true).
"worry about all the Irish immigrants" Only catholic Irish. Thee were as many protestant irish as english back then.
And in 1945 the population of the United States was not quite 140 million people. less than half it is today. There were no worries about availability of water (eg https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/12/water-crisis-climate-package-salt-lake-colorado-river/ ). Or emissions. Or much of anything else except perhaps "things Red" though that wasn't to start (again) in earnest for a couple more years.
Omg. Not 3.6m people! Meanwhile per WWII we had similar numbers of people just arriving at Ellis island, but most of them had the correct shade of skin color, so basically nobody cared.
They were concerned. There was rising anti-immigrant sentiment in that period but it just took a while—1920s—for the political forces to respond, and restrict immigration (it had slowed to a trickle by the end of that decade).
That 3.6 million number, if accurate, translates into about 1.2 million per year since Biden took office. Which would net out to about 2 million when traditional legal immigration (green card issuance) is added. Which would put us just slightly below the country's long term nate rate of immigration (since 1820), or about .7% annually.
We were actually at about double that rate at the height of the Ellis Island era.
The US largely ended legal immigration from outside the western hemisphere except for western europe (excluding italy) in WW1/1924..
What's the big deal? Let's bring in even more people. How about 15 million a year? That will satisfy those calling for more immigrants because "we need the workers" and of course, none of their jobs will be gone as tech takes over much of the economy.
Every major city will become much denser, and living in them will be better as a result.
I see no reason at all why Cubans, Nicaraguans, or Venezuelans should be given special dispensation for fleeing a poor socialist country as opposed to countries that are simply poor.
There are very few arriving from Nicaragua. A lot arriving from cuba and Venezuela since the republicans keep sending the message that they should be fleeing.
You know, the GOP is like a dog chasing a car on immigration. If they ever caught the car and the folks here illegally had to go home, we would have such a labor shortage that our economy would have serious problems. A guest -worker program is the obvious answer here, too bad nobody seems to talking about it.
But of course this is more about political theater than solving anything, isn't it?
" A guest -worker program is the obvious answer here, too bad nobody seems to talking about it." Because guest worker programs are pure evil.
Where does the "roughly 1.9 million who have crossed the border illegally this year" factoid come from?
In 2023 there were around 2.4 million apprehensions at the southern border. From research I've seen in the past, they estimate the number of people who go undetected while crossing the border each year is roughly the same number. That suggests 2.4 million crossed the border illegally this year. So 1.9 million I think is in the ball park. Not sure where Kevin got his estimate.
"From research I've seen in the past, they estimate the number of people who go undetected while crossing the border each year is roughly the same number." No where close to that today.. 15 yes ago, while we quadrupled the border patrol, built the fences, ATV trails along the border, added drone overflights and ground motion detectors it was that number. today its less than 10%. And most illegal border crossers today immediately look for the first border agent they can find to make an asylum claim.
It's the number of people apprehended or who turned themselves in. About half are immediately deported so not really immigrants.
The parole system was leaned on to keep detention centers from over flowing....except the process for letting them actually get jobs takes time. So cities get swamped.
Cities being swamped is more a result of passing laws making housing a human right. Stupid idea. We have a fraction of the number of illegals entering we had 25 years ago.
The big assumption is that a majority of Republicans want a deal. Im not sure we have a good reason to take them at their word.
Add to the GOP hypocrisy on immigration, if we admitted more immigrants legally, they'd pay FICA taxes and help solve the SS and Medicare "problem" the Republicans are forever bleating about.
Illegals are even more of a solution to social security as they pay in but can never collect.
Our regular legal immigration system, where people apply for visas and come after being approved, brings in about a million people a year.
Adding 500,000 people through a legal-as-Trump’s-tax-returns chaotic, poorly vetted loophole in the immigration laws is a sure way to lose elections.
Others have said this, and so will I. Republicans have no interest in helping Ukraine, period. They want Putin to win. Any talk of a deal is silly.
There are some who do not want to help, but an awful lot who do. They are not united on this by any means.
Most of these people did not come to the US under Biden. The DACA folks came before 2007 (i.e., under Bush). A very significant majority of the TPS have been here since before 2000. Only a small fraction of the TPS came under Biden. THE SIJV and U mostly have been in the US for several years; so not under Biden.
Should we send the Ukrainians back?
None of this means that immigration is not a problem, but putting the onus entirely under Biden is not right.
"If you add up everything, including DACA, 3.6 million immigrants have entered the US under parole since Biden was inaugurated" You've had to be continuously in the country since 2008 to be eligible for DACA. I assume the DACA numbers is new entrants to the program. since you have to be over 14 to apply, were down to babies brought be in 2008. So that number will soon be zero.