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Raw data: Crime is way down this year

According to FBI data through September, violent crime is down 15% in big cities and down 8% overall:

Murder is down 25% in big cities and down 16% overall.

Property crime is down 6% so far this year. Burglary is down 12%.

Both property crime and violent crime are on track to be at their lowest levels in more than 50 years.

40 thoughts on “Raw data: Crime is way down this year

  1. cephalopod

    I wonder what murders are like in medium-sized cities overall. A lot of them saw big spikes during the pandemic, and those spikes were pretty sticky. Minneapolis and St Paul are both well above their pre-pandemic murder rates. Portland is still pretty high after a really bad 2022.

    Big cities seem to have weathered the pandemic crime wave better than many medium-sized ones.

    1. MarissaTipton

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  2. lower-case

    a lot of it is obviously due to the fact that trump has had to spend so much time in court lately that he can't commit any crimes

  3. lower-case

    Former President Donald Trump is ineligible under the 14th Amendment to run for president in 2024 because of the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, the Colorado Supreme Court ruled on Tuesday -- a historic decision that sets up a battle before the nation's highest court.

    "We conclude that ... President Trump engaged in insurrection," the justices wrote in the 4-3 ruling. "President Trump’s direct and express efforts, over several months, exhorting his supporters to march to the Capitol to prevent what he falsely characterized as an alleged fraud on the people of this country were indisputably overt and voluntary."

    "Moreover," the justices wrote, "the evidence amply showed that President Trump undertook all these actions to aid and further a common unlawful purpose that he himself conceived and set in motion: prevent Congress from certifying the 2020 presidential election and stop the peaceful transfer of power."

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-ineligible-run-president-jan-6-colorado-court/story?id=105785727&cid=social_twitter_abcnp

    1. Joseph Harbin

      You get the scoop. It now will get more attention in the media and a decision by SCOTUS at some point. I expect they'll say Trump is not DQ'd (absent a conviction for "insurrection" or "rebellion"), which may be the right (narrow) legal decision. I admit I'm torn. If not Trump, who does Section 3 of the 14th A. apply to? Either way, it will add some drama to the 2024 news cycle. It was beginning to look a little too boring, I guess.

      1. lower-case

        well, the 14th A doesn't say 'convicted of'

        (presumably because they thought guys like jeff davis would obviously be insurrectionists even w/o a trial)

        1. Joseph Harbin

          Yes. If I'm not mistaken, the 14th did apply to Confederate veterans w/o any need for conviction.

          It's hard to argue with this:
          We hold these truths to be self-evident, that Donald J. Trump, as had Confederate soldiers before him, engaged in rebellion and insurrection against the United States of America.

        2. Joseph Harbin

          Language of the Constitution.

          14th Amendment
          Section 3

          No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

          No reference to conviction of breaking any particular law.

          This law was enacted in 1948:

          18 USC §2383. Rebellion or insurrection

          Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

          1. coynedj

            It's interesting that this applies to state office holders as well. Methinks that there are folks in Arizona, and Wisconsin, and Michigan, etc who could find this Amendment applied to them.

      2. lower-case

        i also think the colorado SC wanted to force scotus' hand

        i'm sure alito would have loved to shelve the whole issue until 2025

          1. Joseph Harbin

            Good question. But he's not charged under 18 USC §2383, Rebellion or insurrection. He may be guilty on other charges before Election Day.

      3. Citizen99

        My pessimistic prediction is the the SCOTUS will ask Mr. Originalism to step out the window and stand on the ledge. Then they will rule 5-4 in trump's favor on the basis that disqualification is simply an "impractical" interpretation of the 14th, despite its crystal-clear plain meaning.

        But as soon as the ink is dry, they will bring Mr. Originalism back inside and wrap him in a nice warm blanket.

    1. lower-case

      interesting!

      it may just be coincidence, but bergdorf goodman says sexual assaults in their dressing rooms are also at a historic low

  4. starbird2005

    I think it depends what’s happening in your neighborhood. Since PG county and DC banned hookah bars operating after midnight, a lot gravitated to my neighborhood. So our killings and car jackings are up 35% or more. There’s a simple and obvious solution (ban late night hookah bars like the other areas did), but for some reason they don’t want to do that. Hence overall the murder rate might be down but it doesn’t feel like that here.

  5. robertnill

    One thing I've been trying to find is how the US violent crime rates compare with other developed countries by category; I know we murder way more people here, but how do our other violent crime rates stack up? Kevin, have you see this data anywhere?

    1. HokieAnnie

      The data is incomplete for all other crimes, states collect the stats in different ways so it's hard to determine. But that said I've read a bunch of times that burglary and thefts are more common in Europe.

    2. Austin

      What HokieAnnie said plus there are situations where multiple crimes happen in the same “criminal interaction,” and sometime the Boys In Blue (here and in other countries) don’t always count them all. Like it’s possible for someone to be raped, robbed, assaulted and murdered all at the same time, and the event be recorded by some Keystone Kop (here or abroad) as just “murder” because that was the most severe of the 4. Murders tend to be the most accurate because (1) that fallacy of composition doesn’t happen for it - murder is always seen as the “worst” of the 4 in our peer countries so that box is always going to be checked when submitting crime reports to higher ups - and (2) nations are really good at recording when their citizens die, since they have to cut off benefits for them, transfer their property to next of kin, etc. They suck at recording all the rapes if they have a history of misogyny (so basically they all suck at that one), and recording thefts is hard because each country has different thresholds for different types of theft + not all thefts are reported.

  6. MarissaTipton

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  7. NealB

    OT - Thoughts on Colorado? It's a layer no one's been talking about much. Then here, just before Christmas, they cancel Trump. I expect the Republican-Trump Supreme Court to reverse anything against him. But this is kind of fun, for now.

    1. lower-case

      they'll probably rule the complainants lack standing; that's their favorite go-to maneuver to terminate a case without deciding the merits (mainly against people/cases they don't like)

    2. tango

      I loathe Donald Trump and want him to lose so undisputedly badly that even MAGAites are embarrassed. And he certainly does not deserve to have an opportunity to be President again.

      That said, I think banning him from ballots in any competitive state is a recipe for civil unrest and violence from the right. Like major stuff with guys "exercising their 2nd Amendment rights" level.

      If we want to beat Trumpism, we are going to have to win the old-fashioned way. (Although I would not mind if the actuarial gods came down against Trump...)

      Let's just beat the bastard the normal way please.

  8. Vog46

    Trump will appeal ANY ruling against him or his campaign (whether he's allowed to or not) The REAL question is will the legal drama allow for a DELAY to the election. Unprecedented, I know but this allows for the chicken shit SCOTUS to mull over the ramifications without having to rule against Trump.

    I also suspect other states will now rule similarly now that the ice has been broken

    1. Anandakos

      Any state that would rule against Trump would vote its EV's for Biden, so it's pretty much a side-show. If Arizona or North Carolina made that choice, it would be news.

    2. Citizen99

      One way they could chicken out is to decline the case. That way the ruling would stand -- in Colorado only. But I kind of feel even this SCOTUS would not do that because their legitimacy, already in tatters, would be obliterated.

    3. Atticus

      Colorado only stayed they're decision until January 3rd, the day before their ballots need to be finalized. If SCOTUS doesn't hear the case or hasn't made a decision by January 3rd, Trump won't be on the ballot in CO.

  9. Justin

    Yeah, everything is fine.

    A 4-year-old boy was fatally shot in front of his parents in what Southern California authorities described as an "unimaginable" road rage incident involving two suspects who allegedly chased down the victim's family and unleashed a barrage of gunfire on their vehicle.

    The fatal shooting occurred Friday night in Los Angeles County after the assailants allegedly cut off the family's car on a highway in Lancaster, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

    1. Austin

      What do you care? It didn’t happen to your kid or in front of your house, and you’ve already told us you don’t give a shit about other people, so meh from your immoral POV.

      1. Justin

        I don’t. Unless it were you. Then I would cheer! Clearly none of you care about it either. There is an acceptable level of violence and we’ve hit it. All good!

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