Here's the daily death toll of Palestinians in Gaza through January 24:
The blank space in the middle is the late-November ceasefire. Also, there have been several periods during which the death toll wasn't updated. I've interpolated those figures with a slight adjustment for randomness.
The good news, such as it is, is the trendline. It's gone down from 350 per day at the start of the war to about 150 per day now.
The total death toll is at 25,700 as of today.
Do the estimations include those under rubble?
They do not.
Considering nearly all of those are civilians, and an absurd percentage of women and children, amounting to 1-2 % of the overall population, all predicated by what Israel clearly consider an isolated terrorist attack, there will never be a legitimate excuse or justification for Israel's killing spree, not to mention mass destruction of homes and infrastructure, none of it proportionate by any sane or moral measure, not now or in the future, and no war is not an excuse, and Israel should and will be denied the Zionist manifest destiny its radical right wing seeks (it was already bad enough they insist on being a racial aka racist "democratic" country, not based on religion but genetics, only then to go on and make a mockery of the Geneva Conventions and protection against genocide).
1. What percentage of children in the figures are child soldiers, couriers, or other active participants in the war?
2. What percentage of the women are providing active support to Hamas fighters - everything from washing clothes to preparing food - and thus get killed when Hamas positions are attacked?
3. What ratio of legitimate targets to civilians killed is acceptable? How does the Israeli ratio compare to, for example, the US ratio in urban combat against guerrilla forces - say in Mosul?
I assume you have thought about these questions and you are not just an anti-Semite using any excuse to attack Israel, right?
Right?
25,000 dead not enough blood money? Well we'll soon get to 100,000 dead of starvation. Is that enough blood money?
Scratch an anti-Zionist, find a blatant anti-Semite. The anti-Zionism is rarely more than skin deep.
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I never mentioned Zionism. It is telling that opposing excessive dying of Palestinians implies opposing Zionism.
Don’t call me an anti-Semite. Some of the most compassionate human being I know are the jews. If there are oppressed people anywhere you will see jews nearby protecting them. This is true for this catastrophe as well.
This attitude is as odious as it is common. When faced with a clear, ongoing and horrifying civilian death-toll, 70% woman and children, being inflicted by a vastly superior military power, if one feels any sympathy for Palestinians, why they must be vile anti-semites! Even the very significant number of Jews, including a member of the Isreali knesset, could only be self-hating Jews when they agree with the plethora of human rights and UN agencies that this is or may be enthnic cleansing if not genocide, and most certainly it is a variety of war crimes.
If we do not believe the transparent Isreali gas lighting, that this is history's most moral army and who knows how all those children we can see died anyway, it can only be blind hatred of all jews every where.
Rather, we must believe the IDF fairy tales that every hospital is a Hamas command post, every UN refugee centre is an arms cache, every city block razed to the ground was a termite mound of cunning, cynical, human-animal Hamas terrorists, every University and arts centre trashed or bombed out of existence was an irredemable indoctrination factory of hatred towards Isreal, who is after all merely minding its own business, trying so hard to appease and get along.
You MF, you glibbly and disengenuously ask us "What percentage of children in the figures are child soldiers, couriers, or other active participants in the war?" So, what's the number? I believe the current count of children dead (confirmed and officially only) is more than 8000. Tell us how many of them were asking for it? Probably all of them, right?
Right?
What percentage of the 10,000 women were similarily deserving their death sentences? Decapitating Isreali babies is hard work creating a lot of human-animal laundry, so 10,000 sounds about right.
Right?
Sorry, MF. Your emperor is a stark naked lunatic, you should peddle your bullshit sowewhere else.
1. The relative military power of the two combatants is irrelevant - the laws of war apply equally to both sides and there is no special rule that the stronger party must fight with one hand tied behind its back.
2. If 70% of the dead are civilians and 30% are combatants then Israel is doing substantially better than the US in Iraq despite the fact that much of the Iraq fighting was not urban combat. https://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/numbers/ten-years/. But of course the Jews are uniquely evil.
Coby Beck was far too nice in his response.
You-re a piece of shit bigot. Go the fuck away and never come back asshole.
Laugh. Anti-Semites don't like being called out on it.
Jeez man, quit posting stuff like you are some wildly angry 14-year-old whose parents only just gave him access to the Internet because they knew he had a tendency to fly off the handle.
Your anti-Semitism is blatant.
It is impossible for us to know if this is a cynical manipulation or sociopathic racism, but either way it is a decpetion to justify a crime against humanity.
70% are women and children, 30% are adult men. So you are categorically claiming every adult man in Gaza is a defacto combatant and every adult man in Gaza is a legitimate target. This includes teachers, medical personel, journalists, poets, university professors, fathers trying only to protect their families, Christians under seige in their church, oh and escaped Isreali hostages waving a white flag calling for help.
I do think this correctly descibes Isreal's attitude, and apparently your own, but it is a criminal attitude.
You acknowledge that the laws of war apply to Isreal. This attitude, when acted on, is a war crime. Cutting off food to a civilian population is a war crime. Cutting off water is a war crime. Cutting off fuel and electricity is a war crime. Forced displacement of a civilian population is a war crime. And those are just the indisputable ones.
No, I do not think Isreal, which is not synonymous with jews btw, is uniquely evil. I think the evil we see in their military actions is sadly quite ordinary. What is unique is the cooption of a real and terrible thing, anti-semitism, into a sheild and an excuse. By doing this, Isreal ends up making a mockery of the laws of war the world agreed to out of the horror that was WWII, laws enacted out of the shame we all felt about what we allowed to happen to the Jewish people and many other classes of people not unually remenbered. Isreal, and more significantly the American support of Isreal, is undoing a valuable achievment.
"Never again" was not just for Jews, it is meant for all of us, even Palestinians.
1. You cannot assume that women and children are not combatants. Children especially - Hamas uses plenty of fighters under 18. Hamas was also quite happy to brag about its female fighters before it started trying to claim that all women killed in Gaza were innocent civilians. http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/01/03/gaza.women.fighters/index.html
2. Can you please cite a recent war in which the power attacking a city cooperated the way Israel is in moving food, water, etc. to civilians in that city?
3. Israel is not synonymous with Jews, but it sure seems to come in handy for anti-Semites who want to say "I'm anti-Israel but I'm not an anti-Semite."
Nope, washing clothes does not make you a combatant.
We do know what the US acceptable ratio is: “[w]ith Osama Bin Laden, you’d have an NCV [acceptable number of civilans killed] value of 30, but if you had a low-level commander, his NCV was typically zero. We ran zero for the longest time.” U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, when he was head of U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) during the war against ISIS, would personally be called to authorize an operation with a “high” NCV of 14 or 15.
Israel operates at a level of NCV of over 100 even for mid-level commanders.
Yep that would be a war crime.
More here: https://www.bartleby.com/essay/Neither-Victims-Or-Executioners-FCAAGAN2L4V
And that, Mrs. Lincoln, is how we know you should have enjoyed the play...
Your tax dollars at work.
Looks like there has been no decrease in the trendline since December 9.
Seems to me MF has a bit of a chip on his/her shoulder. When you're a victim, anyone who disagrees with you is actually victimizing you.
Hmm. I wonder if we have any national politician or party in the US like that.
I have come to the inescapable conclusion that being "pro-Israel" is actually antisemitic.
And it could all stop if Hamas would only release the hostages they kidnapped. Why won't they?
Maybe because the government of Israel has committed to continuing the killing until Hamas is 'eliminated'. So, no, it wouldn't stop if the hostages were to be released. And you know this.
This is a falsehood, probably a lie.
Also because Hamas and the Netanyahu government are, when you really get down to it, on the same side.
That is not true. Israel is continually attacking Palestinians and has been for decades.
Hamas has also said they would release the hostages and Israel has refused.
Euro-Med estimates over 30,000 dead. The US confidential estimate concurs as does a study in the Lancet.