Tesla has built an impressive network of EV charging stations in the US, but marketing has made it seem bigger than it really is:
Public charging ports currently outnumber Tesla ports by 6:1—though the Tesla chargers are often higher performance. But even in the high-performance realm, the times they are a' changing. Tesla has slowed its expansion while public expansion is about to explode thanks to funding from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. By 2030, public chargers will probably account for more than 90% of all EV chargers in the US.
I just read that TESLA , via a software update, lowered the charging speed.
You just wrote a nonsensical phrase.
https://electrek.co/2021/05/24/tesla-found-guilty-throttling-charging-speed-asked-pay-16000-thousands-owners/
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Got the numbers for Kamifornia???
Fast chargers are the only ones that matter and Tesla is dominant in numbers and reliability in that category.
Using which connector standard?
Presumably the North American Charging Standard (Tesla) connectors. People with other connectors will need to use an adapter.
Going forward, probably. Earlier ones used the non-Tesla standard before Tesla got the big automakers to go along with them. Then I heard that the people in charge of chargers were laid off. Ok, they, or at least some of them, were hired back:
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/05/tesla-does-180-on-superchargers-rehiring-laid-off-staff-amid-new-plans/
Yes, all carmakers are switching to that standard plug and I understand it is better. It was time to end the existing VHS/Beta deal. I think the EU is also doing the same but I don't know what format.
The EU mandated the CCS2 standard and since 2019 even Tesla has used it for both its cars and its superchargers. That is probably set in stone at this point.
So we will have an arbitrary difference between the US an Europe.
I don’t understand how the ground/protective earth connector can be so much smaller than the power-carrying ones in the Tesla design.
Because the battery is the ground in a DC system. The protective ground should never be part of the path, and will blow a fuse before it'll energize the line to failure.
Comparing all charging stalls to Tesla stalls is misleading. Tesla is only Level 3 (fast-charging, charge to full in 15-60 minutes) whereas “stalls” doesn’t specify the power. In my experience as a 10-year electric driver, while there are many charging stalls in cities, they are mostly Level 2 (slow, how you’d charge at home). Tesla provides a charging network to go long distance. So you’re comparing a basket of oranges to a basket with apples and oranges that’s low on oranges.
Agree 100% with polyport. I have been an EV driver for almost 9 years. And all of those grocery store chargers (and the like) are kind of useless. The only time they have come in handy for me are the occasional holiday where I visit my family in another city and I will be there awhile. My sister has a Kohl's near her with one (one!) slowish charger that I sometimes use. But it is only useful because I can leave it there long enough to charge it slowly. Tesla's network is all fast charging. The numbers here *really* do not tell the whole story. Tesla owners definitely have a leg up as far as the charging system. The Tesla chargers are well located, there are a lot of them at each location, and they are in working order more often than the other chargers out there. I really despise Elon Muck and have never owned a Tesla. But I have always envied their charging network since I started driving an EV.
They're useless until your charge point at home doesn't work, or you're driving a short-range EV like an e-bike, motorcycle, Leaf, etc.
I've had a PHEV for years. Level 2 brings it to full charge in about 2 hours, and for drive to Trader Joes and back that let's me be full electric with some spare capacity when I arrive home. If I don't charge I may have a mile or two of gas/hybrid driving.
My car can't handle level 3 charging. Next one will. The free level 3 charger seems to be unused most of the time, the level 2 ones are usually in use. Oddly there are paid level 3 chargers there too, and they seem to be used even when the free one is open.
The one place show chargers are useful is at a hotel where you can charge overnight.
Another place slow chargers are useful, though not yet common, is at workplaces. Eight hours on a Level 2 charger at 9 kw is enough to bring the average EV car from 10% to pretty near full charge.
Tesla has plenty of level 2 destination chargers which have to advantage of being free. My favorite is across the street from a movie theater. Two hours of free charging whole watching a film gave me a good 50+ miles of charge on my old Model 3.
I now have a Volvo EV which is a nicer car and doesn’t have a neonazi CEO, but my charging options are MUCH reduced.
Pretty sure all of the federal government ones are required to be high speed.
"By 2030, public chargers will probably account for more than 90% of all EV chargers in the US."
According to the numbers in the chart, right now public chargers account for more than 85% of all EV chargers in the US.
We have our own L2 charger in our garage. Along with the "intelligent" L1/L2 charging cable supplied by Nissan, it was a pretty inexpensive installation once we bundled it with a few other electrical upgrades. New outdoor outlet on our front deck, whole house surge protector, external emergency generator inlet with safety switch, etc. Our electricians really earned their $400 minimum service fee!
That's also nonsensical as nearly all EVs charge at home on ostensibly non-public chargers, So I'd find that cite dubious at best.
If 20% of all cars registered in my county last year are EV, and 90% charge at home, and that number is larger than the total number of public chargers in my county...
My next car will be electric, but it won't be a Tesla as long as Elmo is there.
Me, too.
I wonder if there is any meaningful way to compare this transition with any other large nationwide transition that has occurred in the past, e.g. roadways, electrification, or even railways or telegraph.
I wager they were as smooth and well thought as possible.
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Good one. No governmental intervention at all. Except for all of it. GM and Ford did not build the roadways. Large swaths of the US did not have electricity until FDR and the REA.
I'm not poo pooing the government at all here – well maybe a little. I'm just thinking about how other transitions fared. It's an incredibly complex problem...
Have you ever driven the Chicagoland highway and interstate bowl of spaghetti?
Build-out of refueling stations/infrastructure for automobiles.
I followed a column many years ago in MIT's Tech Review magazine that discussed connections between technologies. One column followed the development of the US Postal Service.
The Constitution states that Congress shall have the power: "To establish Post Offices and post Roads;". (Article I, Section 8)
But Congress realized they didn't have the money to do that and made the stipulation in legislation that any community desiring a Post Office must be able to keep their roads open year round, which helped slow the demand, especially in rural areas (which were most of them, early on).
Until David Ward King invented the King Road Drag, a simple setup of logs and iron that could quickly and easily (if you have a couple of sturdy horses) create and maintain a proper "crown" that would allow water to roll off with minimal erosion. He patented it in 1908 and charged no fee for use of the design.
The Sears catalog followed shortly after, and the USPS expanded rapidly in the following years.
It is hard to trust the numbers on EV chargers -- a lot are straight up derelict, installed at some point for a tax credit by companies that no longer exist.
It varies a lot. Up here in NW WA there are a LOT of public chargers from well south of Seattle up to the Canadian border in Blaine. Even our little Coop store has 2 2-port L2 charging stations AND 2 L3 chargers with Tesla and CHADEMO plugs.
The Worldmark in Seattle where we stay when going to ballet and other performances has 2 2-port L2 chargers - pretty convenient for charging up just after driving down from Bellingham and the night before heading home. We can also do a round trip with a couple of days errand charge left over - so no range anxiety for any of our regular driving.
This would seem to indicate my general sense that 27 or 28 is when I can get an electric was accurate
A somewhat recent press-release by the Administration on the topic: https://highways.dot.gov/newsroom/investing-america-number-publicly-available-electric-vehicle-chargers-has-doubled-start
am i alone in thinking that a trump-47 regime would tear out all the existing public charging stations & cancel new construction as stipulated in bipartisan infrastructure law?
would just be reagan removing the white house solar panels on steroids.
That chart lumps all level 2 charging points onto the non-Tesla side, even though a large number of them are Tesla made.
Comparing DC charging with AC charging points is... bad, actually.
I assume this doesn't count chargers in people's houses which must be in the millions or the ones in employee parking lots.