There's not a ton of state-by-state polling on abortion, but when Roe v. Wade is overturned and control of abortion law is returned to the states this is suddenly going to become very important.
Here is a Pew survey from 2014 that asks whether abortion should be legal or illegal in "most or all" cases. I have eliminated the "don't know" respondents to produce percentages only among the people who have an actual opinion.
it's amazing how all maps of this sort, showing states by population % aligning republican values, is also a map of the shittiest places in the country by pretty much every metric.
Well, it shows exactly the Parasite like a brain amoeba that took over the Republican party. With Nixon they went bathing in dirty water. The American South.
Peoples views can change real quick when it's their daughter, or wife, or girlfriend, or mistress, who is pregnant and this situation is a not a desirable event. A whole lot of those fucking hypocrite's will be funding (illegally in Texas, Oklahoma and in other places quite soon), a shopping trip to CA, Michigan, Illinois, NY, or Canada (if the MAGA folks in congress get their way).
The issue is great to rally up the GOP and their religious right nutbag constituents, but the reality of regressing back to the 1950's may be less enjoyable than they think.
Which points out the biggest irony of the whole abortion issue - it is a matter of class and economic privilege. Period.
The well-educated and well-off will be far less likely to have an unwanted pregnancy in the first place, and when it does happen they will have the resources to deal with it. For them, a ban on abortion does not affect their lives all that much.
(I'm waiting to see what happens when the right bans contraception, though.)
Be careful--the final ruling may not resemble the "draft".
Also--use this discussion to further all goals:
1. Women should have to access to health care all the time, not just when they are pregnant.
2. Women shouldn't have to worry about losing their job or their housing just because they decided to have a baby--we need paid maternity leave.
3. Everyone needs access to contraceptives. It can't just be rich guys paying to make the "problem" go away after the fact.
4. Maternal mortality is way too high in the US, especially for POC. That needs to be fixed.
5. The out of pocket costs for having a baby can be ridiculous, even for those with insurance:
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-06-17/10-000-what-new-parents-might-pay-for-childbirth-even-with-insurance
We shouldn't be forcing women to bear children against their will. We also shouldn't be forcing families into bankruptcy for having a baby.
Easy to see why the conservatives switched from attacking Brown v Board of Education, and why they're bringing it up again.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133/
I to get the impression they really hated what the Left did with the 20th century
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/alitos-plan-to-repeal-the-20th-century/ar-AAWTjXP (Adam Serwer Atlantic piece)
That is because they aren't the left. At some point your brain is going to get it. The Left frankly was dying out by 1950.
Pedantic, oblivious and obnoxious. Well my inability to take you seriously has certainly come to a middle.
You refuse to get it. It is not my problem. The old bourgeois patriarchy is dead. Economically unfeasible and frankly Beta male in spirit.
The "Left" can offer patriarchy without hang ups or Christ.
Reading your posts (SOG) I think of Dumb and Dumber, but dumber than a stick of wood. Apologies to those sticks of wood.
We are truly boned as a country unless something radical happens to either change the composition of the court or to change how it works and how much power it has.
We know that there is a solid block of right wing activists on the court who, though they may cloak it in legal language, will do whatever they want to implement a radical right-wing agenda for the country. They are far from done. What, other than good sense, would stop them from any of the following:
* Declaring abortion unconstitutional
* Declaring gay marriage unconstitutional
* Declaring state legislatures (not governments but the legislatures alone) have the power to appoint presidential electors
* Declaring that government agencies have no power to write regulations
* Declaring whatever president they prefer is actually the president
Really there is no limit. Our founders wanted the US a "nation of laws, not men." What this means is we are not relying on the good will of individual leaders but on regulating their behavior through laws. With the Supreme Court we have the opposite situation. We have to rely on the sense and good will of these 9 people, many of whom were carefully selected because they have neither. There is realistically no recourse to remove any of them from power. The institution is fundamentally broken.
Your point is dead. That kind of power play will destroy capitalism and begin liquidation of the states.
Oh goody, you're dead, but deader than a stick of wood.
Well, that goes your way as well.
Presumably agencies that the Justices use themselves, like the FAA and NTSB, will continue to be allowed to function. Unless the Justices never fly anywhere and/or don’t mind if their planes occasionally crash?
It's past time to tax those religious organizations which have been engaging in partisan politics; they need keep to their faith in their homes & religious groups instead of attempting to impose their preferences on others if they want to retain their tax-exempt status.
And no more swarming around women taking their daughters to a haircut appointment, waving signs with pictures of aborted fetuses, on the assumption that they are instead headed to a nearby abortion clinic. Aside from their occasional violence against medical providers, the harrassment of any female in public should be prosecuted.
The Telephone Game will be strong with this one …
And a lot of those states (including my own of Arizona) have trigger laws which will kick in when Roe is overturned, banning abortion altogether. So the wishes of that particular state's residents won't matter, unfortunately. I think it's something like 20 or 22 states.
Then that is overturned in said state. What then??? Republicans lose Roe, it's a political timebomb
I've also heard that Arizona passed some truly egregious election rules that basically wipe someone off the voter roles if they miss a single election, no matter how small.
I think some of y'all haven't looked at that map carefully enough. For instance, OK is less than 50 percent. I would never have predicted that.
Iowa is more accepting than Ohio. So is Montana. I didn't expect that.
Ohio is a abortion battleground state and always has been.
Kevin eliminated Don’t Know responses. Which on a politically and religiously charged issue probably amounts to a significant % in itself, especially on topics in which one’s religious views (“the pope says it’s a sin”) differs greatly from one’s political views (“I wouldn’t mind if just poor/brown people have to suffer, but the rich/white people need an exemption”).
Dumb analogy. Rich and White? How about the rich and Black???
Why does dark red start at 55 and dark blue start at 40? Shouldn't it be 45 so its symmetrical? For that matter why is california dark blue and Montana light blue?
Yeah, that stinks of deceptive fudging with the graph to give the false appearance of a more balanced distribution. Moving that threshold to 45% to keep all color groupings consistent would add 6 more dark blue states.
As it is, it is already remarkable that only in 19 States a majority think abortion should banned, compared to 32 where the majority don't think that. But looking at the dark colors, as it is, 17 States are very strongly opposed to making abortion illegal, which is almost the same of the entire total supporting its banning no matter how lukewarm the support.
With the proper grouping that would be 23 strongly opposed to making it illegal, compared to just 8 strongly supporting making it illegal.
Kevin eliminated Don’t Know responses which on hot button issues sometimes is a good 10-30% of responses. I wouldn’t read too much into his map.
Yes, he eliminated the "don't know" which is fine, but he then recalculated the percentages for those who had a set opinion, and grouped the data accordingly into his 4 color groups to create the map figure and bar graphs. This is the equivalent of using diferent scales on a y axis when comparing two things. A graph nerd like Kevin should know that.
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Public opinion doesn’t matter in Wisconsin. The 172 year old draconian prohibition on ALL abortions is still on the books and will trigger into effect if Roe is overturned. The highly gerrymandered legislature will not lift a finger to stop it.
The Legislature will be made irrelevant
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