In the summer the water is always warm off the Gulf Coast of Florida. But this summer is off the charts:
"Not sure I've ever seen the water around Florida look quite like this before... at any time of year," says Brian McNoldy, the researcher at the University of Miami who created the map. The purple mass stretching from the coast off Miami, around to Cape Coral, and then up to Tampa shows that water temps there are currently over 90°F.
Plus both the Arctic and Antarctic ice masses are setting record lows. And there's been yet another "1000-year" flooding in upstate New York. Those floods sure seem to occur a lot more often than every thousand years these days, don't they?
Oh, and we've just endured the hottest few days on earth in the past 100,000 years. Perhaps it's time to do something more serious about climate change than hold a few talking shops?
As long as a senator from a red state can continue to find enough snow to make a snowball every year, so that he can bring it into the Senate and debunk climate change, we will do nothing to stop warming the Earth.
Correction: as long as the bulk of voters remain largely not impacted and not inconvenienced by climate change, nothing will stop warming the earth because people vote their self interests.
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biden admin did just release a report on geoengineering solutions, which i'm pretty convinced will be required.
"The Biden-Harris Administration has no plans underway to launch a comprehensive research program into solar radiation modification. But the report lays out the case for what such a research program would look like and why it could be beneficial.
The primary theme in the report focused on looking at solar geoengineering through a “risk vs. risk” framework, meaning the risks of intervention versus no action." https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/30/white-house-releases-report-on-solar-geoengineering.html
I think we should build a giant space parasol and position it between the Earth and sun.
I'm partial to geoweathering myself. Solutions like parasols and aerosols don't actually cut down the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.
In the northern hemisphere, ocean temperatures reach their peak in September. We still have a long way to go.
SST anomaly map of the Gulf region around Florida looks dire, for sure. But have you looked at the wider sub-tropical region in the Atlantic?
The thing about these SST anomalies is that the baseline isn't preindustrial; they're the average of the first decade of when we first started using satellites to measure SSTs. If we were measuring against preindustrial temperatures, the Atlantic would be dark red.
Well, we've managed to pollute the fresh water, burn the forests, pollute the soil. The oceans are the last strong hold. Soon there will be nothing left. Too late for changes to turn climate change around I'm afraid.
National carbon tax, rising every year, with all the money redistributed as household dividends.
Everything else is pointless hand-waving.
Why not renewable subsidies? Because it's not enough just to EXPAND the energy base with wind and solar. You have to SHUT DOWN fossil fuels. The only thing that can drive that (other than politically impossible mandates) is to make the fossil fuels more expensive. Investors will get the message immediately, and two-thirds of people will break even or come out ahead. The poorest will benefit the most.
It'd be bad news if we had any hurricanes - that hot water would supercharge them quickly. Thank goodness El Nino seems to be suppressing hurricane formation in the Atlantic.
Honestly, I'm pretty tired of all the snark like this. The Green Party put GW Bush and Trump into power. They continue to demand everything and hurting what can be done (listen to Ezra Klein's latest podcast).
The climate is warming this much because liberals don't take it seriously, in the real world.
https://www.mattball.org/2023/01/climate-activists-are-to-blame-for-some.html
Like Plus One.
yeah, punch that hippie! The reason we haven't addressed climate change is that some people are *too* engaged on it!
FFS, the *Republican Party* put W and Trump into power. And the Republican Party is the one that decided to torch the planet in the name of driving a wedge through the national electorate by becoming the world's *only* anti-climate major party.
If they hadn't voted for Nader/Stein/Bernie/etc., of if they had actually voted for Gore and Clinton, we wouldn't have the SCOTUS we have now. Fact. And it feels so nice I'll punch them twice; they were told -- repeatedly -- what the stakes were. Immature hipster knuckleheads is what most of these people are.
Summer weather in Michigan is great this year. Most years really.
Florida and the gulf coast has been hit with major hurricanes for a long time. They always bounce back. Storm damage is always very local. 10 or 20 miles wide. Not too far inland. It would be… unfortunate if another one renders some small section uninhabitable. I suppose it will happen eventually. Or just flood from sea level rise.
Bring it on.
How exactly do scientists know what the daily temperatures were even 1,000 years ago let alone 100,000? I can see where they might know what sort of range of averages from the sorts of fossils they find, but how can they know the peaks and that the week say of July 7th, 96,725 BCE wasn’t a hot one? (No, I’ve not looked to see if that was an ice age date. I hope the basic point is clear.)
I can see where such statements make great sound bites but is it actually helpful?
Let scientists work...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleothermometer
Of course. And down to what timescale do those methods measure temperature?
You won't let them do their work because you know better? Or just have incomplete knowledge? Or just can't believe? What? Our perception of reality is necessarily incomplete. Of course there will be error. Lack of certainty. Why begrudge those that push that limit? Unless you are advocating for improvement with generous funding...
Kevin has asserted we’ve had the hottest several days in 100,000 years. The education I seek is how we can know that unless we have records of temperatures with day or at least week granularity rather than say year.
We don't have the exact temperature on specific days. What we do have is evidence of what average temperatures were, and some data on variance. From those, you can estimate the total range of possible temperatures that would be possible and likely to achieve. That data tells us that it is extremely unlikely that it was possible to hit the current temperatures in the distant past.
The exception is a period about 6,000 years ago. Temperatures like we're seeing now are just within the realm of possibility.
Thank you.
No, they don't know exactly how hot it was on a particular day in a particular spot on earth on this day 86,000 years ago, or whatever. We're talking about *global* averages and the main way climate scientists get at that is through studying gasses trapped in ice core samples from Greenland and Antarctica. The concentration of gasses like C02 and certain oxygen isotopes give a snapshot of average temperatures during the formation of a particular layer of snow/ice. What the story the other day was reporting is that the global average temperature recorded last week basically had never been seen in the climate data record over past 100,000 years or so.
So it is something rife with Telephone Game opportunities.
"So it is something rife with Telephone Game opportunities."
No, becaue "telephone game" isn't peer-reviewed.
I mean when the likes of Kevin et al interpret the scientists’ words.
Stop, stop, stop those goalposts!
Declaring 'So what do those scientists know anyway?' is not a good look on you, son. Not a good look on anybody, for that matter.
Think of the energy savings in hot tubs, showers and baths, and pasta water!
Here in coastal Delaware those "hottest days ever" weren't really. It finally got warm enough for me to turn the AC for the first time this year-- we had a ridiculous chilly spring to the extent that my garden did nothing for weeks and I was worried the plants were going to just die in their stunted state.
When a hurricane gets into the Gulf there will be hell to pay.
I heard it was a Chinese conspiracy.