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So many arguments

I didn't know this, but apparently there's a huge divide in our nation over the question of whether to use a flat top sheet as part of our bedding:

Ariel Kaye, 38, the founder and CEO of Los Angeles company Parachute, had never slept with a top sheet....Because of her business, the top-sheet discourse follows Ms. Kaye everywhere, even when she’s not in the mood to argue. “When people find out that I’m the founder of Parachute they want to go head-to-head on this issue in all sorts of circumstances,” she said. “There are very passionate people on both sides of this debate.”

These kinds of disputes are endless, and here's the part I don't get: Why do people love to argue over them? Why are we so addicted to arguing over everything instead of just accepting that different people have different tastes? I mean, listen to whatever kind of music you like. Why should I care? Drive whatever kind of car you like. Eat whatever food tastes good. Make your bed however you like. But why argue endlessly over it?

61 thoughts on “So many arguments

  1. Dana Decker

    Kevin is right. We argue too much and should stop all of it - except for the vital issue of how you hang toilet paper:
    1) over (with the loose end draped over the top)
    or
    2) under (with the loose end hanging inside

    It's a never-ending debate with 70% choosing the correct answer (over) and 30% who must be persuaded to end their folly.

    1. kenalovell

      30% - the same percentage as continue to back Trump no matter what he does. Coincidence? Only a fool would think so!

    2. Salamander

      Well, over and the cat claws all the paper to the floor. Under and the cat grows frustrated that all the paper isn't spooling off to the floor and has to bite and claw the entire roll to shreds.

    3. Jay Smith

      'Under' is chosen by unrefined, barbaric philistines who probably also leave the toilet seat up and the cap off the toothpaste.

      Flat top sheets are a refinement that is largely based on climate. People in cool, damp climates should always have a top sheet because it holds in a surprising amount of heat without feeling too heavy or damp like a comforter. People in dry climates may not understand the reason for top sheets.

  2. KawSunflower

    Beats me, but this coincides with the abandonment of any pretense of consensus about "Live and let live."

    Really miss my Middle Western hometown, living instead where the new governor promised to be a uniter, then gleefully proclaimed "The future is ours, not theirs," & his running mates both displayed military weapons while campaigning.

    I certainly don't argue about such matters; there are other things on my mind.

    Just be sure to keep your cat away from your toilet tissue, so s/he can't paw at it & unroll the whole darned thing.

    1. qt969vpj9n

      As a historian I can attest that the US has NEVER had a consensus of "Live and Let Live" to abandon. We have ALWAYS believed our neighbors should live like us or, conversely, have no business living like us. (depending on relative positions of in and out groups)

      1. KawSunflower

        And while I did reference "any pretense," my relatively calm & welcoming small hometown was a much nicer place to learn values than the segregated, elitist eastern/southern county to which my family moved. Had never heard the words used for "other" people there, let alone the one mistakenly used against me as a result of babysitting for the "wrong" people.

  3. ttruxell

    Let me get this straight, one argument comes down to, among other things, it's more of a pain to make the bed in the morning.

    People make their beds every day?

    1. Jasper_in_Boston

      You mean there are actually people who don't make their bed every day (or have it made)? Unless one has the bedding of Louis XIV, it takes all of 45 seconds to pull it together, and renders one's world tidy and ordered.

    2. ScentOfViolets

      Well, not every day. Depends on whether is a cat on the bed when I go in to make it. Otherwise, unless it's actually bedtime, why of _course_ I make the bed. What, you think I was raised in barn?

  4. kenalovell

    I remember when the argument was whether one should iron the sheets. Both of them. That was before meddling Gisele Jubinville invented her against-nature "fitted sheet".

    1. lsanderson

      It's European where they usually have a replaceable washable cover on the duvet which serves as the top sheet. It makes making the bed a whole lot easier -- just shake the duvet and straighten it a bit. Of course, it's a bit of a PIA to change the duvet cover, but that's an other issues.

      1. Dr_Diatom

        Duvet tip: Turn the cover inside out, lay duvet/comforter on top, attach corners to cover, then turn whole thing right side out.

  5. shapeofsociety

    I'm definitely anti-top sheet. It makes the bed harder to make and serves no useful purpose if your blankets are washable. Back when all non-rich household fabrics were either linen or wool, it made sense to have a soft, easily-washable linen sheet between you and your scratchy, hard-to-wash wool blanket, but nowadays we have better options.

    1. memyselfandi

      Blankets generally aren't washable. The washability of duvet covers is one reason people have replaced blankets with duvets (that and the collapse in price of duvets.) . But obviously, for people who aren't filthy, duvet covers are a lot more work than sheets.

      1. shapeofsociety

        Both of the blankets I use are washable. One is micro-fleece, the other is one of those cotton stuffed blankets (no duvet cover). The only non-washable blanket type I'm aware of is wool.

  6. Lady Mary

    It is against god and nature NOT to have a top sheet! I can't even believe this is a question. If the weather is too hot for a blanket but a little bit cool and you need just a bit of coverage, the sheet is just right. As for the elasticated bottom sheet, that's the best thing since sliced bread. And as someone has already mentioned, who makes their bed every day? Is your mom coming over to check?

    1. Jasper_in_Boston

      Maybe in the US that's the case. Most of the world from what I can see has moved on from this arrangement in favor of duvets (comforters, I believe, in Yankese) and the duvet cover serves the purpose of a sheet.

      1. Bobber

        Duvets are too fucking hot. When I was in a hotel with duvets, I had to pull it out of the cover and use just the cover, which equalled two top sheets and was perfect.

        1. ColBatGuano

          This. I can't stand only having a duvet as a cover. Either you turn the AC down to 63 or you try and sleep with no cover. And who wants to wash and reassemble the duvet every time you do the sheets. Madness!

        2. wvmcl2

          Yes, this. Hotels started switching from sheets and blankets to duvets around 20 years ago, and it is now pretty much standard world wide. But I hate it. Duvets are indeed often too warm and you now have no way to regulate the amount of covering.

          I also often remove the duvet cover and just use that, but then that might not be enough. So I ask for an old fashioned blanket, and sometimes get one, sometimes not. The old way was better.

        3. HokieAnnie

          If you're too hot with a duvet/comforter your heat is too high. If it's summer you don't sleep with a comforter.

          1. memyselfandi

            "If you're too hot with a duvet/comforter your heat is too high." You missed the point that these people aren't using a heater and it's too cool to go without anything.

      2. HokieAnnie

        No the duvet is the cover for the comforter. That's Yankese in my neck of the woods. And always, always a top sheet, seem gross without it. I quickly wash the sheets weekly and the duvet about once or twice a season unless there's a spill.

        1. memyselfandi

          "No the duvet is the cover for the comforter." Learn to speak english, A duvet is a type of bedding which is a bag stuffed with insulation, traditional goose down. Hence until the invention of synthetic goose down, very expensive. What you in your ignorance are referring to is the duvet cover. Much like when stupid americans refer to a futon (a japenese sleeping mattress) when referring to a futon frame, something the traditional japenese never considered using.

      1. memyselfandi

        Sheets really only fit one size of bed regardless of whether they are fitted or not. and yes, unles you know what you are doing (and/or have a specially designed machine) they are a real pain to fold.

  7. Vog46

    Arguments? Maybe. Opinions? Definitely

    Opinions are like A__holes. WE all have one and they all stink.

    The internet has just given us a megaphone to make us all feel like our opinions are more important than others. And we damned sure have forgotten how to say "I was wrong".

  8. cephalopod

    Some people just need some low-stakes drama to keep life interesting.

    I guess I can make everyone mad since I use both a top sheet and a duvet cover!

    Top sheets are great when it is somewhat warm at night and you don't want a blanket on you (we limit AC use, yet my feet are often cold, and a tucked-in top sheet is the perfect coverage). I also love wool blankets, so a top sheet eliminates scratchiness in cooler weather. But we also have several cats who sleep on the bed. Having an easily washable duvet cover lets us wash it every week along with the sheets. For people with hot feet, a duvet is great. But us cold feet folks can't stand the risk of the duvet letting cold air in.

  9. golack

    The point of rooting for sports teams, talking about best pizza, etc. is to socialize--learn to have discussions and how to disagree without being disagreeable. Alas, on the internets--flame wars are the opposite of this.

  10. lithiumgirl

    I hate hate hate duvets. They are usually much too warm. Then the only other option is no covers at all, which is usually too cold. A blanket and a top sheet allow much better temperature control.

  11. lawnorder

    When my daughter was 14, I asked her why she persisted in arguing with me even though she knew she was going to lose. Her answer was "practice". Arguments over trivia are carried on for practice or amusement. Only the really obsessive personalities take them seriously.

  12. Laertes

    Eh. It's kind of fun to lightheartedly argue about something where the stakes are low. Nobody's humanity is being questioned, nobody's waiting desperately in the water to see if the people in Lifeboat #1 can reach a consensus about whether to take others aboard.

  13. rick_jones

    I mean, listen to whatever kind music you like. Why should I care?

    Because I’m blaring it out there for all the world to hear?

    Drive whatever kind of car you like.

    No matter how much gas it guzzles and pollution it spews…

    Eat whatever food tastes good.

    Even if it trashes your health and you seek others to pay to fix it…

  14. name99

    Why do we argue over these things.
    IMHO, essentially because language. But NOT the causality you think...

    Think about what it takes to make language work. The single most important thing is that we all agree (as much as possible) on what words mean and how you string them together Language is so important that I suspect any and every genetic spandrel that reinforced it was massively selected for in the past (and perhaps still).

    Which means there was massive selection for "we do things THIS way, not THAT way". Which overflows into everything. Obvious cases like kids making fun of other children with accents or speech impediments, but also god(s), foods, and yes, sheets.

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