We have a verdict! That was quick.
Gotta be guilty, right? There's no way they'd acquit Trump so fast.
UPDATE: Yep, guilty on count 1. And if he's guilty on count 1, he's guilty on all of them.
UPDATE 2: Trump is guilty on all 34 counts.
UPDATE 3: As I suspected, all we get is a verdict. The jurors were not asked which of the "other crimes" they believed Trump was guilty of. My guess is: all three.
If it’s guilty as charged, these are twelve people who are very, very brave and very civic minded because they and everyone they love will be spending the rest of their lives looking over their shoulders.
Je les salue!
I couldn't agree more Mitch, we have 12 American heroes. I sincerely hope that they are well protected from being doxxed, hopefully NYC as a whole will act to protect them.
Yes sir - I totally agree with you. I'm shocked - I hoped but honestly never thought this would happen. Those twelve people are so brave, have integrity and guts.
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Yes.
National heroes. I also think Biden' s a hero for taking on this crook and winning.
Biden has Secret Service protection. These 12 jurors do not.
All of Maga is going to lose their s***. There will likely be violence. Maybe, finally, so-called low-information voters pissed off about insurance hikes will see there is more at stake this election, that these people are dangerous.
Is that naive?
My belief is that almost all MAGA people are dangerous only to the extent that they feel they have impunity for their crimes. I think that’s why they’ve been so quiet since the January 6th prosecutions started and guilty verdicts and long sentences rolled in.
Any violence by MAGA needs to be met by a forceful and vigorous response by law enforcement. And maximum sentences need to be imposed consistently.
Again, agree. Sitting here worried- could not believe my eyes on 1/6...so can't assume anything now. The last thing this county needs is more anger and violence. Trump does all he can to stir up vitriol and that is just his narcissism, selfish motives and ignorance. Just watched his remarks after the verdict and Trump did his best to rile people up. There is an evil method to his madness. मैं अलविदा कहूंगा
I think you credit MAGAts with far more intelligence than they actually have. Thinking through consequences to actions is not their strong suit.
I wouldn’t underestimate them or their approach to the imposition of their political and religious beliefs upon the population through terror. The reality is that when MAGA was running wild and felt that they could act with impunity, they did act. There were many MAGA killings, gun massacres, and open carry events including the armed takeover of the Michigan statehouse. And there was a plot to kidnap and murder the governor of that state. All of this culminated in the events of January 6th.
Yet, once the FBI finally began to make arrests of MAGA foot soldiers and the DOJ finally found the courage to prosecute them. MAGA has been surprisingly silent. Only in places where it controls the government (such as Texas) and can act with impunity has MAGA taken violent action. With the exception of a very small number of MAGA-killers who continue to carry out certain actions, these people are afraid to act and are content to posture themselves and take advantage of their reputation as a terror organization.
I concede that there may be a spasm of violence in reaction to the Trump verdict but I believe that if Merrick Garland responds forcefully, vigorously, and relentlessly that will be the end of Trump’s power and also of MAGA as a force.
having an uncle val's martini in celebration
Well, what does uncle val get?
I think I'll enjoy an IPA early tonight.
july 11 sentencing date
notably after the alito court and cannon take their best shot at their deny and delay fuckery
The sentencing is a week before the GOP convention. Did Haley jump too soon?
Haley is a coward who showed her true colors. The entire Republican party is the bottom of the barrel.
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I salute the jury and Judge Merchan. At a time when Republican politicians are kissing ass to get favor with Trump, its good to know that truth still counts and some people have the courage to tell it.
Speaking of Republican ass-kissers, I think that Elise Stefanik is still in first place, but Nikki Haley is moving up fast.
Kevin, can you update and repost that chart of criminal convictions by administration? Kthxbye.
And it's my birthday. Best birthday present ever!
Many happy returns to your other courthouses, Citizen Donald.
May you enjoy many more!????
You can relax & give us your reasoned opinions & philosophical views another day!
Lol mine was 2 days ago but I'll take it! And many more! Of both!!
Happy birthday to you! Yes, a great birthday present!
You really have to congratulate the Manhattan DA and staff for putting together a winning trial strategy, especially since the case needed to rely on the testimony of Michael Cohen. The jurors are exceeding brave for diligently exercising their civic duty, and the smart move would be for them to keep their mouths shut, but that is certainly not going to happen.
I am glad that fuck head is convicted, but I really don't think it will change anything. He certainly will not be going to jail.
I tend to agree with you but, speaking for myself only, if I was a judge and a convicted defendant came before me for sentencing who’d treated me and my family the way that Trump treated Justice Merchan, I’d definitely max him out.
After all, whatever the MAGA crowd is going to do to him and his family is likely to be pretty horrific if Trump is elected so he might as well get himself and his family killed for a sheep as a lamb. Send Trump to the worst part of the Tombs until a DOC bed opens up and then send him to the worst hellhole in the system.
I don't believe max is at all plausible, but a more severe sentence than usual is a very definite possibility.
Hang Donald Trump! God bless the porno people!
Won’t change any minds.
I'm not sure we need to change any minds. We just need more people who dislike Trump to actually take the trouble to vote and some marginal Trump voters to stay home.
'Zackly. And "convicted criminal" is not a complex concept, nor something of which people won't hear no matter how many rocks they live under.
Fits on a bumper sticker.
Trump is a convicted felon.
Exactly. Framing this as 'we need to persuade MAGA' is wrong. MAGA can't be persuaded, and it isn't necessary anyway.
We just need enough double haters to decide they hate Biden less, and a few Republicans who already don't like Trump to stay home.
That isn't persuading anyone, but it could be enough to make the difference.
This is a close election, the winner will be decided on the margins.
19% of the US population is still undecided (+/- a few points depending which poll you believe). A list of 34 felony convictions will absolutely move the needle with many of them.
Don’t feed the troll.
In a country of 330m people, anything changes somebody’s mind somewhere. I have a relative who turned 18 and voted Republican in the last election solely because she loves elephants. A gay guy in a bar told me he is voting Biden because he saw his son’s “huge” dick pics and said “Apple can’t fall far from the tree.” *Anything* can sway low info voters.
Stormy Daniels is a greater American than anyone in the Republican Party. And she done more for the country, too.
We are indebted to this judge & these twelve
jurors for holding trump accountable, something that NY should have done decades ago.
I am very glad that Jerry Nadler is alive to see this day, & wish that John McCain were also still here.
I find it interesting that Trump committed crimes in the Southern District of New York for decades but never even was investigated. And he was given a pass by that office for committing essentially the same crimes for which he’s just been convicted.
And, equally as interesting, when Cohen offered to flip on Trump, that office intensified his prosecution even as they gave immunity deals to Allen Weisselberg (Trump’s then underboss) and Pecker, apparently requiring testimony against Cohen but not Trump. Effectively making the case that nobody should turn on Trump by making an example out of Cohen (who was hinting that he would be receptive to a deal). If Merrick Garland had any balls, he’d be trying to get to the bottom of this. It’s a real scandal.
The Sovereign District of New York has been that way for a long time. Rudy Giuliani used to run it. Jim Comey did time there, under Rudy. The SDNY was accused of improperly hounding Hillary Clinton during her run for the Presidency.
Yes, an investigation would seem to be in order, at long last. I'm sure Democrats would be afraid it would "look political", though, and wouldn't.
I'm not sure the SDNY was looking at Hillary for anything, afaik. You may be confusing that with reports that the NY FBI office was filled with Giuliani acolytes who were eager to take down Clinton and prompted Comey (in the world's most politically disastrous decision) to go public with the Huma Abedin laptop investigation.
That’s true but it’s still worth investigating why the SDNY gave Trump a pass for decades and decades of crimes. Also, if Merrick Garland was smart, he’d have gone through the FBI like Sherman through Georgia. He should’ve done it first thing because now he’s not really in control.
Yeah, Trump had Manhattan DAs and US attorneys afraid to cross him for decades. He donated heavily to both Republican and Democratic candidates. He brought Giuliani into his shady circle early on, so had protection throughout the 80s and 90s. Cyrus Vance was supposedly going to charge Ivanka and Don Jr. in a scammy hotel deal years ago, but dropped the charges after the Trump Org made a big campaign donation. And so on.
Alvin Bragg was the first DA with the cojones to finally take on Trump, NYC's last great mobster. He's the man.
The witnesses who testified against Trump in this trial were given the full "you're witnessing against a cartel boss" security treatment: they met with state police at a neutral location, were driven to the courthouse in an unmarked car, and entered the courthouse by a side door under heavily armed guard. After testifying, they left the same way.
I hope these jurors get that same security as they leave.
You forgot that at least Stormy Daniels was made to wear a bullet proof vest while attending the trial to testify.
Unless a juror makes a public statement, we will never know how they came out on which other crime Trump intended to commit because it’s not an element of the crime so the jury couldn’t be polled about it. In any case, I gather that Trump passed on a last chance at juror intimidation and didn’t ask to have the jurors polled (is this your individual verdict?).
Now we see what the Democrats have by way of balls. They really need to trumpet this loud and all the time. I mean every Democrat, every minute of every day.
Also, if I was a Democratic congressman, I’d throw a bill in the hopper stripping convicted felons of Secret Service protection (especially in prison).
YES!! on stripping SS protection from convicts! For life. Sure, it wouldn't pass, but the message is the part that would count.
According to CNN, Trump’s lawyer did have the jury to be polled. I don’t think that the jurors were in any way intimidated by Trump; according to the CNN reporter the jurors mostly looked at the judge and ignored Trump when being polled.
Thanks. That’s interesting. It’s pretty normal and I was wondering why Blanche didn’t do it in the hopes the one juror would lose his nerve. Costs nothing and the defendant’s got nothing left to lose.
I have developed a theory in politics that big news move the needle about 2 points. This probably moves the needle more towards Biden. I also think the biggest impact will be among the undecideds and I hate to cite Karl Rove (he was a good but not a great tactician, you have to give him that)- the impact will be felt most among the rust belt crowd in WI, PA, and MI. I mean convicted felon will be brutally hard to spin away.
tv coverage is all about court processes and how the crimes were a legal nothingburger
also, the laws in question are unconstitutionally vague, so may be tossed on appeal, even though plenty of other people have been prosecuted under these laws, and of course no previous violation involved stealing the presidency, but that never seems to make it into the analysis
also the millionth iteration of how none of the charges in federal court will ever see the light of day
and how the constitution wants to allow THE PEOPLE to decide the winner of the next election, excluding obama of course, a fact that is never brought into the discussion
always bending over backwards to accommodate trump's crimes
Fortunately low-information voters, the people who may be swayed against Trump by these 3 dozen convictions, by definition are not watching the TV pundits
Well the July sentencing date will give Trump time to get a 55 gallon enema to prepare him for when he meets Bubba, his new cell mate
Boom Boom, with face tattoos.
First, prison rape jokes are not funny and should be avoided. Second, however, Trump is old, fat and ugly. He is not going to be at the top of any other prisoner's "girl friend" list.
USA USA USA
Well at least we know that there is a line.
in Manhattan anyway
"This is bad news for Joe Biden."
Like +10! yes, we have Journalistic Standards to uphold...
I don't recall all these MAGA yahoos all up in arms when John Edwards was indicted for something similar more than three years after he dropped out of the Dem primary.
Don't recall any Dem's up in arms about that either.
I don't recall when John Edwards was impeached twice, nor when he tried to steal an election.
If I were running Democratic campaigns, my ads would remind voters that most states won't even let felons vote, and here's a felon who thinks he should be President!
it's good to be a rich white dude!
Most states allow returning citizens to vote - only Virginia and Florida do not have automatic restoration of rights. But Trump won't be a "returning citizen" at this rate.
Yes, but only some restore voting rights immediately after release from prison, some only after completing parole, some only after completing parole and probation. In nine states, certain crimes lead to permanent loss of the franchise: https://felonvoting.procon.org/state-felon-voting-laws/
Our special moment isn't over, it isn't going to be over until after the election and until after that psychotic is in jail.
Trump/Stormy 2024
MEOOOOOW!!!! KITTIES ALWAYS KNOW!!!
The "kids" are unusually subdued (so far).
Are they waiting for the sentencing?
I would have thought "junior" would be off the rails.
This whole situation has a surreal feeling to it .........
IANAL, but it is my understanding that as a Florida resident, and as a convicted felon, Trump will be unable to own a firearm, will be barred from running for state or local political office, and will be prohibited from voting in any election.
DeSantis can come to trump's rescue, if necessary.
And Florida supposedly will follow what the sentencing state's legal guidelines are, I've read.
Has anyone seen Melania ?
or Jarvanka?
The last photo I saw of them, it looked as if Ivanka had had an identity makeover.
????⚖️Guilty as sin. Literally.