Donald Trump tweeted this on August 22, 2018:
I have asked Secretary of State @SecPompeo to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.” @TuckerCarlson @FoxNews
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 23, 2018
What's this all about? Trump's 2018 tweet was prompted by President Cyril Ramaphosa announcing his support for a constitutional amendment that, in some cases, would allow the government to expropriate unused land without compensation. Trump took up the cudgel again a couple of days ago, prompted by an expropriation act finally being passed last month.
The whole thing is super complicated and goes back decades. Land reform was a bedrock tenet of the ANC, but over the years voluntary transfers haven't worked. White people still own more than 70% of the land. So President Ramaphosa has been under a lot of pressure to do something.
In addition, South Africa has a very high crime rate and white farmers in rural areas are murdered all the time. As it happens, this murder rate has declined quite a bit, but it still amounts to about 70 per year—which seems like a lot but is lower than the daily murder rate throughout the whole country. Most of the farm killings are the result of robberies gone bad, and the overall murder rate in South Africa is about four times higher for blacks than whites. Still, this has been a hot button issue for a very long time, so when Trump says South Africa is “treating certain classes of people VERY BADLY," he's explicitly talking about white people.
Is white South African immigrant Elon Musk whispering in Trump's ear about this? I wouldn't be surprised, but he hardly needs to. Trump has been concerned for a long time about whether South Africa's white people are getting a fair shake.
This post answers the last post about why the jihad against USAID.
USAID visibly helped bring apartheid to an end. A white South African born in 1971 would have watched USAID systematically dismantle the system of South African racist power and privilege throughout their teenage years.
this is just not that complicated.
Bingo
Can you provide any evidence for your claim? I am not aware of any significant assistance by USAID in ending apartheid and I wonder how that would have even worked - aid to the ANC?
Notice the troll doesn't specify what evidence they would accept. Otherwise, if they did and anyone provided it, it would be a bridge too far to claim it wasn't 'good enough'. Even for him 😉
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OK... how about an article in a reputable paper - NY Times, Washington Post, etc.
What, you're not going to tell us what would be considered 'significant assisstance'? Why oh why am I not surprised?
https://the.ink/p/usaid-fought-apartheid-musk-is-killing
1. I see no reason why the US should be less concerned about whites in South Africa than about any other minority group in other countries that is subject to targeted attacks and government expropriation of property.
2. Comparing the killings of white farmers for the year with the daily murder rate in South Africa for the entire population is obviously misleading since white farmers are a very small minority of South Africans. Given Kevin's statistical skills it is hard to believe that this was just carelessness and not deliberate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_farm_attacks
And see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suL6sAN4bKU&ab_channel=SABCNews. Not that different from a Nazi era anti-Jewish rally except for the darker skin complexions and the dancing.
Hmm, ah what the hell, I'll take the bait. Is there some specific action you'd like the Orange Pumpkin and the Ketamine addict to take?
Hey, there are diamond and gold mines in South Africa, and the Capetown Coast. Maybe we should take over it, too! We can send the "indigenous" folks to Zambia and Zimbabwe and Made South Africa White Again!
Right now our bigger beef with South Africa is their support for Russia.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-65563027
So I think we should be doing everything we can to harsh the ANC's mellow.
Does MF put his hood on when he sees the title of these posts? Or only after he reads them?
his hood is always on so what he can't see can't be true.
there's no need to pay attention to MF.
their own source explicitly states there’s no evidence that white farmers are disproportionately targeted and that the ‘white genocide’ narrative is a myth.
it’s more likely they didn’t read it carefully—or hopes others won’t. the contradiction is almost impressive.
But we keep hearing democrats say they need to appeal to folks who think like MF in order to win elections. If you are mean to them, they will never vote for democrats. Nice working class folks need to be the base of the party and while MF may not fit that description, they certainly represent their views.
https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-plan-win-working-class-2026433
"folks who think like MF . . . "
Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence.
In any event, the analogy between White farmers in SA and Jews in Germany and Eastern Europe under the Nazis is a poor one. The White farmers were beneficiaries of a racist regime and SA Whites in general are not being targeted. Jews under Nazi rule were victims solely based on their religion, regardless of their jobs.
A better historical analogy would be between targeting White farmers in SA and targeting of kulaks in Bolshevik Russia.
Not really. Black farmers are not targeted.
So it's a cross between Nazis vs Jews and Bolsheviks vs kulaks.
You said black farmers aren't being targeted and then your sources...
...contradict you.
Ah yes, Trump is only concerned about white South Africans because of human rights, which is why he's so against land being stolen in the West Bank and Gaza right? Or land being seized in Ukraine by Russians? Be real. Trump is fine with ethnic cleansings and land appropriations. He's just mad here because a black government is taking action against white people to try to remediate past injustice. Can you name me even one instance where Trump has been consistently concerned about a white group oppressing a non-white group?
lol.
How is it America's problem what is happening in another country? Isn't Trump all about putting America's interests first? What possible advantage could be gained to America by meddling in something taking place in South Africa?
And that right there is the strongest evidence of something crooked going on here. Has Trump EVER expressed concern about human rights issues in other countries? If we preemptively rule out a racist motivation, as the ass and troll MF is eager to do, then it becomes impossible to explain why Trump would be concerned about this at all.
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So you 'see no reason', eh. Uh, okay. But why tell us? Do you think anyone cares that you 'see no reason'? Honest question.
LOLOLOL 🤣
America first?
america first, to the bottom.
"Make the Afrikaner Broederbond Great Again!"
It's a lot to fit on a baseball cap but I'm sure DT and Elon will get it done.
No surprise that Little Marco has found a way to screw our friends in the G20. The man was voted in 99-0 by the Senate, which will someday go down as one of the most shameful acts ever of the self-described world's greatest deliberative body.
DEI! The horrors! But apartheid ... now you're talking.
Well.,, he did lie to Congress.
I am guessing that Trump saw some story somewhere about this that treated the South African white farmers sympathetically. And this on the backdrop of ANC corruption and mismanagement, and distaste for South Africa's role in the Israel genocide case and maybe how South Africa was very soft on Russia over Ukraine... And there is probably distant memories of Zimbabwe treating its White farmers rather badly. Add a touch of racial identification with the Whites in there.
That's usually enough for Trump to go off.
Why would Elon have to whisper. He can say out loud exactly what Trump wants to hear.
Since when has owning unused land (indefinitely) been a human right? But they didn't need to do this. They could just have introduced a progressive land tax. Or even have limited inheritance of land. Eventually the problem would solve itself.
It wasn't Musk that whispered in Trump's ear, it was AfriForum, a right-wing lobbying group that is opposed to the new expropriation law.
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2025-02-03-afriforum-lobbied-trump-about-land-expropriation-now-he-wants-to-cut-sas-health-funding/
(As it happens, I am currently just outside of Howick, KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa.)
Is there any reason to treat anything Trump says with any seriousness at all?
He is not “lying” here. He believes this is true:
“Trump at the National Prayer Breakfast: "The water comes down from the northwest parts of Canada, I guess, but the Pacific Northwest. And it comes down by millions and millions of barrels a day and uh, I opened it up. It wasn't that easy to do. But I opened it up and it's pouring down."”
If Joe Biden had said this it would have been front page news as proof of his dementia. With Trump it’s not even news.
Even worse, if Trump stood up tomorrow and said that all non-white people should be put in prison camps, the media would write headlines like "Trump floats unprecedented new housing plan."
Expropriate the expropriators.
"Donald Trump is very concerned about South Africa’s white people"
Donald Trump is very concerned about one South African white person
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