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Here’s what Trump was talking about in that taped conversation

What exactly was Donald Trump talking about in his recorded conversation about secret documents and Mark Milley, his Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff? And what document was he waving around during this conversation? Here's the background.

In the middle of 2020 Milley nearly resigned because he believed Trump was "doing great and irreparable harm to my country" and had "made a concerted effort over time to politicize the United States military." In the end, though, Milley stayed on because he thought he was one of the few guardrails left against Trump’s "increasingly erratic and dangerous behavior." In The Divider: Trump in the White House, 2017-2021, Peter Baker and Susan Glassman tell the rest of the story:

[Shortly after the election], Milley was called to the White House to present various military options for attacking Iran....Trump kept asking for alternatives, including an attack inside Iran on its ballistic-weapons sites. Milley explained that this would be an illegal preëmptive act: “If you attack the mainland of Iran, you will be starting a war.”

....Trump often seemed more bluster than bite, and the Pentagon brass still believed that he did not want an all-out war, yet he continued pushing for a missile strike on Iran even after that November meeting. If Trump said it once, Milley told his staff, he said it a thousand times. “The thing he was most worried about was Iran,” a senior Biden adviser who spoke with Milley recalled. “Milley had had the experience more than once of having to walk the President off the ledge when it came to retaliating.”

This is most likely what Trump is talking about when he says this on tape about Milley:

He said that I wanted to attack Iran. Isn’t that amazing?....They presented me this — this is off the record, but — they presented me this. This was him. This was the Defense Department and him. We looked at some. This was him. This wasn’t done by me, this was him.

Robert Costa confirms that after he left office Trump became obsessed with Milley and frequently got careless:

In short, it comes down to one person: *Milley.* Trump loathed his coverage in press, in books, per multiple sources….Trump fumed in post-presidency period about Milley, in his view, being cast as a hero and himself as an insurrectionist.

....Trump’s anger about Milley led him to be cavalier about what he said about Milley and their interactions & policy decisions, and it frustrates some aides who notice how he would veer into dicey/near classified material in convos. Then Trump started to do interviews for books…

The indictment against Trump, which was unsealed earlier today, refers to all this:

The indictment says that Trump appeared to be proud of the material he retained and eager to show them off as keepsakes. “Isn’t it amazing?“ he asked a visitor to his golf club in Bedminster, N.J., after showing off Iran intelligence, boasting that military commanders “presented me this.’ Trump said he randomly plucked the papers off ‘a big pile,’ suggesting he had many more.

So this is what Trump was talking about. He summoned Milley to the White House to present options for attacking Iran, and then used that document to claim it was really Milley and the Pentagon all along who wanted to attack Iran. The document that outlined options is likely the one Trump was waving around when he launched into his rants about Milley.

10 thoughts on “Here’s what Trump was talking about in that taped conversation

  1. Dave Viebrock

    This was being discussed on MSNBC a few days ago. The indictment coverage r/n is really gobsmacking how bad it all is.

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  2. cld

    Why was Trump so nuts about Iran?

    If Putin had told him, man to man, he had to be real worried about Iran, they're out to get you, it would have made him nuts on the spot.

    Which is great for Puddin' because it forces Iran closer to the only friend they have.

    1. KawSunflower

      Hatred of Obama, & his deal with Iran to limit nuclear development.

      Hatred of all Muslims.

      Sometimes. the first seems that it's not simple hate, but envy or jealousy of one person & an overwhelming need to destroy someone's accomplishments..

      And on other issues, he just picks easy targets to scapegoat, whether an individual or entire ethnic or cultural group..

      Either way, I am reminded of his treatment of people when taking advantage of the fact that Iran inexplicably isn't blocking Viber as it does WhatsApp, so contact with friends has been restored. But I cannot avoid feeling anger for all his hatred has hurt & no number of legal cases will ever change that.

    2. Salamander

      How about Bibi? Israel has long been after the United States to declare war and destroy Iran for them. Look how hard they tried to block the Iran Nuclear treaty. And notice that taking the United States out of the treaty was one of the former guy's first acts.

      1. CAbornandbred

        I think Trump was much cozier with Saudi Arabia than Israel. The Saudi's had a lot more money to throw Trump's way.

    3. Jasper_in_Boston

      Why was Trump so nuts about Iran?

      You could ask the same question of the entire Blob for the last 40 years.

      But in Trump's case, perhaps he thought a "wag the dog" situation could save him in 2020? I think even a person of Trump's limited knowledge of strategic issues probably perceived that China and North Korea are too dangerous to attack. That leaves Iran as a juicy target.

  3. LactatingAlgore

    Clearly, President Trump stymied bloodthirsty Islamophobe Mark Milley from turning the great Parthian Empire into glass, because of Mr. Trump's abiding noninterventionist mindset & desire for global tranquility.

  4. Jasper_in_Boston

    This whole thing is beyond bizarre. To me it seems to point to Trump's really having lost his sense of how to read the public. I bet not one American in ten could've told you in 2020 who Mark Milley was. And hell, half the damn country would likely have approved of Trump's desire to attack Iran.

    Commit felonies, for what again, exactly?

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