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Is “rough sex” foul territory for baseball players?

Since Bill Plaschke is apparently paid by the LA Times to be wrong about everything, I suppose it's no surprise that he's wrong about Dodgers pitcher Trevor Bauer too:

The announcement Tuesday that Bauer will not face criminal charges in relation to the sexual assault allegations against him swings open the door to an unlikely but nonetheless untenable scenario....He’s theoretically available to return to work as soon as baseball goes back to work and, well, the Dodgers have a desperate need for starting pitchers and ...

They wouldn’t ... they couldn’t ...

They’d better not.

It’s time for the Dodgers to do what they should have done months ago. It’s time for them to publicly disown Trevor Bauer by promising their fans and community he will never again take the mound in a Dodgers uniform. It’s one sentence. It speaks volumes.

Trevor Bauer will never pitch for us again.

For those of you who have no idea what this is about, I recommend you maintain your blissful innocence.

For the rest of you, here's what to know. First: Trevor Bauer is something of a jerk. This is hardly unusual in baseball, but there you have it.

Second: last year he was accused by a woman of sexual assault. A thorough investigation was performed and no charges are being filed. Bauer, it turns out, likes rough sex. There's considerable evidence in this case that the rough sex was entirely consensual and Bauer simply didn't do anything wrong. As always, we don't know this absolutely, 100% for sure. We never do. But Bauer's case is so strong that a judge wouldn't even maintain a restraining order against him, which isn't something that requires a hell of a lot of evidence.

Bottom line: Bauer is a jerk and he likes something that most of us find distasteful. That's it. If the Dodgers want to let Bauer go as a message that they too supposedly find rough sex distasteful, I guess that's their business. They run a family operation, after all. But it would be nothing more than that.

POSTSCRIPT: Needless to say, further evidence might come to light in the future. If it does, then we might want to change our minds. That's the way evidence works.

72 thoughts on “Is “rough sex” foul territory for baseball players?

  1. gvahut

    Trevor Bauer is a Class AAA fucking jerk, not just somewhat of a jerk, unless your level of tolerance for jerkiness is much higher than mine. He stands out in MLB for his behavior, and has had a history of being a fucking jerk on other teams. I'm sorry, but he deserves to be a pariah. He's made plenty of money. Go play in Korea or Japan or Mexico. Or with yourself.

      1. MontyTheClipArtMongoose

        Burned out at UCLA, then with the Diamondbacks (before even reaching Majors), Cleveland, Cincinnati, & Los Angeles.

        But as El Jefe pointed out to Billy Bush, "When you're a star..."

        To wit: one-time New York Yankee Luis Polonia did considerably less than Bauer, but after his sex scandal in 1989 or 90, he was gone.

  2. Joseph Harbin

    Bauer is not going to pitch again for the Dodgers. It's not because the team is squeamish about rough sex. It's because Bauer beat a woman, caused her serious head trauma, and nearly killed her. What are the Dodgers going to say? It's OK because she asked for it? Nobody with the team wants him around. The majority of the players wanted him gone last year, according to one report. Many fans would be horrified if he came back.

    MLB is likely to impose some disciplinary action, inc. a suspension. After that, he can try to find a job somewhere else, but likely not L.A.

    The Bauer case has received an incredible amount of publicity, and that's going to make it hard for Bauer to return like so many other athletes who are suspended for domestic abuse, assault, etc., then pick up their careers where they left off.

    Dodgers star pitcher Julio Urias was suspended for domestic abuse a couple of years ago, and it's hardly mentioned anymore. There are many cases like that. Nobody in L.A. is more beloved than Kobe, and the fact that he was charged with rape mid-career is all but forgotten.

    The Bauer case is not likely to be forgotten. It's going to stick to him the rest of his life. It might not be entirely fair -- other athletes have arguably done worse and been welcomed back into the good graces of the sports world -- but it may be the highly publicized brutality of the case that will make it hard for people to get over it.

    1. Jasper_in_Boston

      It's because Bauer beat a woman, caused her serious head trauma, and nearly killed her.

      What's your source for that? This is from the original LA Times article reporting the incident:

      According to the texts, which have not been authenticated by The Times, the woman told Bauer that she “had never been more turned on in my life” getting choked by him. “Gimme all the pain. Rawr. “Any allegations that the pair’s encounters were not 100% consensual are baseless, defamatory, and will be refuted to the fullest extent of the law,” part of Fetterolf’s statement read.

      https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/story/2021-07-02/trevor-bauer-mlb-dodgers-administrative-leave

      The article mentions the texts at that point were not authenticated by them, but, as Kevin points out, he wasn't charged and the restraining order was lifted.

      I agree he sounds like a Trumpist jerk, for what it's worth.

      1. Joseph Harbin

        https://heavy.com/news/trevor-bauer-court-documents-sexual-assault-accusations/
        "significant head & facial trauma"
        "acute head injury"
        "choking her unconscious with her own hair"
        "raccoon eyes"
        "Battle's signs"
        "signs of basilar skull fracture."

        Initial signs of s skull fracture were not confirmed by CT scan.

        So what if she consented to rough sex. So what if it turned her on. In the end, he beat her brutally. The response from the average human being is: WTF?!

        No one should be surprised he wasn't charged. The woman doesn't come across as an innocent victim either. Some stories suggested she may have even tried to set him up. But fair or not, Bauer is damaged goods in a sport that likes to market itself as good, clean fun for the whole family.

        1. Mitch Guthman

          I think for most fans, including those who are judges, winning is all that matters. And for the team it’s just dollars and cents. Whether this creep stays or goes will depend entirely on the Dodger’s need for pitchers and their estimates about his value as a player.

          For these kind of people, morality is situational and transactional. As far as MLB and the Dodgers are concerned, this Bauer guy could’ve raped, murdered, dismembered this woman and eaten her liver sauté with onions and it wouldn’t bother them at all.

  3. cmayo

    "Something of a jerk" is an extreme understatement. He's one of the most immature, childish people in baseball. He does deserve to be a pariah for it. Regardless of the facts of this case.

    Also - far more people like "rough sex" than you might think, a far cry from "most of us find it distasteful":

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33564979/

    "About 80% of those with a current sexual or romantic partner engaged in rough sex with them and most who engaged it liked it. Bisexual women reported greater rough sex frequency and enjoyment (54.1% indicated enjoying it "very much"). "

    "After polling more than 400,000 OkCupid members, the dating website found that 62 percent of women enjoy rough sex."

    Results abound.

    1. Cressida

      The sample in this study was undergraduates. That population has been saturated with internet pornography. Most internet pornography is violent and degrading toward women. I would not trust that the responses in this study are reliable indicators of human inclinations.

      1. MontyTheClipArtMongoose

        Yup.

        There's a reason the 45 year old El Presidente de Mierda Dave Portnoy favors targeting 18 to 22 year old women for his encounters where he cosplays as James Deen (whose scenes are known for their roughness, including hard choking & gobbing in his partner's mouths).

        1. cmayo

          James Deen is distasteful. It's unfortunate he wasn't run out of the industry those years ago when details on his off-set behavior came to light.

          1. MontyTheClipArtMongoose

            Unlike Racine, WI, born legend, the provocateur Max "Paul Little" Hardcore, James got his start in so-called punkporn, so his traditionally masculine sexual brutality comes with an ironic wink, giving cover to those who enjoy it.

      2. cmayo

        The OKCupid pool isn't just undergraduates. 400K is a pretty large n, even if it isn't a random sample. All ages on that site, although anecdotally they do appear clustered in the late-20s to mid-40s range.

        I don't disagree with anything else you said about most porn, but the point stands that the idea of labeling rough sex as something that most people find distasteful is just unsupported poppycock. I also find it odd to think that attitudes towards what kinds of sex people like would change all that quickly from generation to generation. And it's worth pointing out that half of the participants in that study were women. Even if 100% of the men in the study liked rough sex for the simple (and silly, IMO) reason of bad porn, that would still mean that 60% of the women also liked rough sex.

        1. Cressida

          It's not odd at all. The young generation today is the one who grew up with internet pornography. Young girls see it too. They think that's what sex is.

            1. Cressida

              I never said any "data" were "wrong." My comment was addressing your skepticism about a rapid generational shift in attitudes toward violent sex. The point of that comment (which I thought was clear enough, but whatever) is that such a rapid shift is not in fact surprising, given the timing of the proliferation of internet pornography.

    2. KenSchulz

      How do you obtain a random sample using an internet survey? I have so little confidence in the validity of this that I’m not going to bother looking further, but if I were, I would like to see the proposal that was submitted to the IRB before even looking at the report.

  4. Cressida

    "There's considerable evidence in this case that the rough sex was entirely consensual"

    I'd be curious what this evidence is. Most women don't actually like being choked or slapped or spit on or their hair pulled or what have you, despite what mainstream pornography might suggest.

    1. haddockbranzini

      I dated, briefly, a girl in college who liked being spit on. It creeped me the hell out and wasn't into it. This was pre-internet, so no heavy porm influence.

    2. MontyTheClipArtMongoose

      In porn, both performers are receiving money to appear in a (mostly) scripted tableau where the man greets the woman with a slap to the cheek, a deep kiss, & an expectoration in her mouth. & sometimes, even then, either the recipient or giver or both show misgivings.

      In real life, no one is meeting Trevor Bauer or Dave Portnoy for the first time in order to get open palm slapped, then stripped, then entered from behind* without lube.

      *If only high school & collegiate gonzo porn heads knew how much preparation goes into an analysis scene. What Tabitha Stevens does for buttlove puts Daniel Day-Lewis's method bag of tricks to shame.

  5. KawSunflower

    Maybe it's easy to get a restraining order in California. If you think that is also the case elsewhere, you are sadly mistaken.

  6. TheMelancholyDonkey

    I categorically disagree that Bauer did nothing wrong. I don't care if someone has given consent. If they fall unconscious, you need to stop beating them. Continuing to do so may not be criminal, thanks to the consent (though I think it should be), but it is extremely unethical. You may not go to prison, but losing your highly paid job is a reasonable consequence.

    1. iamr4man

      >> In order to establish consent in these circumstances, three requirements must be present. First, an individual cannot consent to circumstances that involve the possibility of serious bodily injury. Second, the harm must be a reasonably foreseeable aspect of the conduct and a risk that would reasonably be accepted. Third, the individual must receive some sort of benefit from the conduct such that the consent was justified.<<
      https://www.justia.com/criminal/defenses/consent/

    2. Laertes

      You're carefully choosing which facts to present, and the ones that make the cut, you're putting in the best possible light. Those are choices that an advocate for Bauer might make, though it's not clear why you'd choose that role for yourself since you aren't his attorney.

      The Dodgers, though, have to consider factors that you've chosen to ignore. They have to ask "What else is coming?" Consider what we know:

      - He has a history of exes complaining of abuse.
      - He threatened to murder one former partner.
      source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/08/14/trevor-bauer-ohio-protection-order/

      The guy is obviously a disaster waiting to happen. It was a mistake to bring him on, and now they've got to figure out how to minimize the damage.

  7. Traveller

    While there may often and properly be elements of dominance and submission in sexual behavior....beating the crap out of a woman and giving her black eyes...is beyond the pale.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=images+Trevor+Bauer++victim&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=APq-WBudcieOTROcS_DQrc3nBWxAZzBqTQ:1644495731183&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&vet=1&fir=jwmZAyh34zvcRM%252CSnozHyA-3d-FhM%252C_%253BcyP4CruhBNY1XM%252CrLWPSQXS3Rv6NM%252C_%253BxX7wC4fiFLmnLM%252CSnozHyA-3d-FhM%252C_%253BApAo0stHcZqRnM%252CcZYakSwYdCUyOM%252C_%253BjofpKPNfyyhe2M%252CSnozHyA-3d-FhM%252C_%253BCVk1jkIH2KWndM%252Cy7GG9o-mbS2uzM%252C_%253B49V7Rr0gxDXghM%252CVCrKw-8L8y-DzM%252C_%253BtkL_Q364hr2wBM%252Cdt8poOHI1BdroM%252C_%253BMrjN8wre3SspvM%252CVvTBIaCC-NLOhM%252C_%253BZR6oo8o5f-Z5YM%252C7EbtUncGi8r82M%252C_%253B6qdelS7mkwEI1M%252CMG1_yt6aEGuAVM%252C_%253BOR-JAa09hM-Y7M%252CMRvWRh1Guw1AFM%252C_%253BMBKI908IXniolM%252CcZHINUwPzJ04NM%252C_%253BvsxODMEcStd6CM%252Cko0u0CSlaQ7w9M%252C_&usg=AI4_-kRvLQPlohGymc1S8Ls8WK3v_-bkOQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiyz5D_j_X1AhW4kokEHR4MCMEQ9QF6BAgMEAE#imgrc=ZR6oo8o5f-Z5YM

    Further

    Kelly Valencia, a forensic nurse examiner who had been called by the woman's legal team to testify about her injuries, said she administered a Sexual Assault Response Team exam, or SART exam, to the woman in May.

    "I had never seen that before," Valencia told the court, describing "red and purple" bruising around the woman's genitals.

    https://www.insider.com/nurse-who-examined-bauers-accuser-had-never-seen-that-before-2021-8
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    I hope the Google link above is not to large. Still, be that as it may....Trevor Baurer got to skate on this which is fine...he dodged a bullet....which is not to say I need to approve the behavior.

    Also, Kevin needs to acknowledge that Plaschke is right....and that there would just be hell to pay were Mr. Bauer appear in Dodger Stadium to play ball.

    It is not going to happen.

    Kevin is wrong.

    Traveller

  8. Traveller

    PS the really interesting question to me is the contractual one...must the Dodgers pay him, and if so how much. It is a king's ransom to be sure...but were I the Dodgers I'd look to the league imposing a 2 year susension...and maybe saving the Dodgers some money.

    How this would play out in arbitration is the really interesting question:

    "According to Passan, the league could "keep Bauer on administrative leave ad infinitum" or try to suspend him without pay. The latter, however, would be tricky. As for a suspension, some around the league believe that he'll be out of MLB for at least one year, with a two-year suspension being the likeliest scenario.

    (Transcript via Jeff Passan)

    "He signed a three-year, $102 million free-agent contract in February. It includes, sources said, a $10 million signing bonus that already has been paid out in two installments, $8 million in salary paid during the regular season and a $20 million lump-sum deferral due Nov. 30. If a suspension drops before that payment, the Dodgers could conceivably withhold it, but Bauer would challenge that and argue the money owed him was for time on administrative leave, during which he is paid like an active player.

    The next two seasons are the source of even more intrigue. Bauer can opt into a $32 million salary for 2022. At the end of next year, he can opt into a $32 million salary for the 2023 season -- or take a $15 million buyout and become a free agent."

    Best Wishes, Traveller

    1. Mitch Guthman

      My assumption is that his contract has a “morals” clause so the Dodgers could probably stop paying him today, if they so choose. I think the only argument against it would be that the team is acting in bad faith because they have a history of not firing sex offenders or domestic abusers if they are more valuable or successful at playing baseball—an argument which would have the small additional virtue of being true.

    2. johngustafson3

      There's no way he's getting two years. The DA's decision not to file charges exonerates him to an extent. And they're not going to cut him. They owe him too much money. Bill Shaikin cites this in today's paper:

      "In 2004, after pitcher Denny Neagle was cited on suspicion of soliciting a prostitute, the Colorado Rockies terminated his contract, citing that very same language from the standard player contract.

      Neagle filed a grievance. In 2005, he and the Rockies reached a settlement under which he was paid roughly $16 million of the $19.5 million left on his contract, according to the Denver Post."

      And Neagle pled guilty to the crime of "patronizing a prostitute".

      1. TheMelancholyDonkey

        Neagle is a flaming asshole. My freshman year roommate at the University of Minnesota shared an apartment with him sophomore year. He was one of the more unpleasant people I've ever dealt with, and I say that as someone who has had many work-related interactions with the Minneapolis Police Department. He ended up stiffing the other three in the apartment for rent and utilities.

  9. Spadesofgrey

    The problem is she engaged in this type of situation more than once, more than with Bauer. If he got a little "overboard" , your talking misdemeanor level charges. It's no wonder nothing was filed.

  10. jdubs

    Another wrinkle is that midseason 2021, (while Bauer was suspended i believe) MLB started enforcing rules to stop pitchers from using sticky substances on their hands. This hurt some pitchers who previously had been cheating and achieving better pitching results by using the banned substances.

    Bauer was one of those pitchers who appeared to have gained the most dramatic improvement in overall performance. The Dodgers may realize that they dramatically overpaid for a very average pitcher now that he can no longer use the sticky substances.

      1. TheMelancholyDonkey

        The problem with trying to dump Bauer over the sticky stuff is that he spent several years complaining that other pitchers were using it and never getting punished. It's very clear when he started using it, because his spin rates shot up, and it was well after nothing had happened to anyone else. Bauer made it really obvious what he was doing, likely as an attempt to force MLB's hand to crack down. And it worked.

      2. mudwall jackson

        problem is that bauer was far from unusual in using the stuff. besides, using foreign substances to doctor a baseball is something of a tradition in the sport. the only way the trolley dodger$ dump him is if they can do it without having to pay him.

    1. iamr4man

      From the Wikipedia page:
      “Speculation that Bauer had been using grip-enhancing substances increased after the spin rate on his fastball dropped by more than 200 rpm following an announcement from MLB that the league would begin enforcing their rules on pitch doctoring. Despite this speculation, no conclusive evidence has determined that Bauer has been using grip-enhancing substances“

      200 rpm seems significant to me, but I’m no expert, that’s for sure. But it does sound like just another situation where he gets over based on not having “conclusive evidence”.

  11. DFPaul

    Ahhhhh, this is just trolling. Quite obviously, major league baseball isn't investigating or banning "rough sex" by all its players. It's just saying "personal life stuff that leads to police investigations, hospital visits by your dating partners, endless bad headlines and jerk-off behavior by you could affect your career because 'image' is important to how we make money".

    Reminds me of the Peng Shuai situation where the IOC is obviously desperate to bottle up the notion that the Olympics are anything less than a pure celebration of athletic ability.

    I doubt any rough sex aficionados in MLB sense that their tastes are under fire, contra the headline here.

    1. MontyTheClipArtMongoose

      Or, Deshaun Watson. Kept on the inactive list by the Texans for 18 weeks, desperately hoping the allegations fade, opening up space for a trade.

  12. Laertes

    You're carefully choosing which facts to present, and the ones that make the cut, you're putting in the best possible light. Those are choices that an advocate for Bauer might make, though it's not clear why you'd choose that role for yourself since you aren't his attorney.

    The Dodgers, though, have to consider factors that you've chosen to ignore. They have to ask "What else is coming?" Consider what we know:

    - He has a history of exes complaining of abuse.
    - He threatened to murder one former partner.
    source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/08/14/trevor-bauer-ohio-protection-order/

    The guy is obviously a disaster waiting to happen. It was a mistake to bring him on, and now they've got to figure out how to minimize the damage.

    1. johngustafson3

      It's too late to minimize the danger. He should have never been signed and the judge's ruling does not help the Dodgers. They're on the hook for a ton of money. They could try and cut him but we're talking at least 32 mil.

  13. ResumeMan

    Kevin, you are totally wrong on this and half-assing a story you know nothing about.

    There is evidence that "rough sex" was consensual, and if that were how it went it would be no problem and we would never have heard of it. There is NO evidence that the accuser consented to BEING STRANGLED UNCONSCIOUS AND ASSAULTED WHILE SHE WAS OUT. Nobody disputes that this is what happened and there is absolutely no excusing/accepting it.

    And the restraining order was dropped because there was no concern about Bauer trying to continue contact with her. It's not a jealous homicidal ex-boyfriend type situation.

    For most of his career I've been a bit of a Bauer apologist, seeing his conflicts with other people in the baseball community as a refreshing change of pace, and even his general douchiness as being an entertaining sideshow. But this situation is nothing like that. Bauer is a thug, a repeat sexual abuser, and should never stand on a professional mound again.

    1. ResumeMan

      Oh, just to add - I'm sure that you know (at least I hope so) that whether or not charges are filed in a domestic abuse case has very little to do with whether or not the abuse occurred. General issues with evidence, he-said, she-said, slut-shaming, and victims refusing to testify make it very hard to actually convict somebody of this sort of thing.

      But to its (very rare) credit, MLB doesn't give a shit about any of that. Their policy requires independent investigation, and for the commissioner to impose penalties based on the investigation, not the criminal justice system.

      Bauer should be, and certainly will be, suspended for a very long time. Based on precedents (the system is only about 7-8 years old), I'm guessing a full year.

      1. johngustafson3

        I doubt he gets more than half of a season. Domingo German hit his wife in public and got 81 games. Since Bauer has not been charged his case is more he said/she said. MLB has its own investigation and will suspend him but I doubt it's for more than what German received.

        1. TheMelancholyDonkey

          Bauer's own description of the events is sickening. This is a case of he said/she said in which both parties say basically the same thing. Bauer's argument isn't that he didn't do it; it's that it was consensual. The woman doesn't really disagree about that, but thinks that consent should end once someone is unconscious.

  14. jaystellmach

    Kevin Drum knows a lot about a lot, but I wouldn't trust his judgment regarding this situation.

    Pardon the long quotations to follow, but cutting to the chase: there seems enough evidence for MLB to suspend Bauer for as long as they care to, and I'd be surprised if he plays in MLB in 2022.

    I am borrowing this from Craig Calcaterra's newsletter. All quotes below are Calcaterra's analysis (he is a long-time baseball writer and prior to that was a practicing attorney): https://cupofcoffee.substack.com/p/cup-of-coffee-february-9-2021-5dc?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxNzI4MDQ2OSwiXyI6IlgrTk1SIiwiaWF0IjoxNjQ0NTE0ODc1LCJleHAiOjE2NDQ1MTg0NzUsImlzcyI6InB1Yi03NzY0NSIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.4WwtMcYekVzqCy41ZEO_90IUIwjDJZT3b1mDhv_0GEg

    "Bauer’s accuser swore under oath in documents and then testified under oath in open court to the following:

    Bauer choked her until she was unconscious;

    She did not consent to being beaten or sodomized before she was rendered unconscious (note: as a matter of law, and contrary to the non-germane comments of the judge from the bench last August, an unconscious person cannot legally consent to anything and a conscious person cannot consent to having serious bodily harm inflicted upon them); and

    Bauer beat and sodomized her while she was unconscious.

    Bauer presented no evidence to contradict those assertions. Indeed, Bauer took the Fifth and Bauer’s attorney conceded in argument during the hearing that Bauer choked his accuser until she was unconscious and was violent towards her while she was unconscious." ...

    "Bauer presented no evidence to contradict that. What’s more, in arguments, his lawyers admitted that that’s what happened. They claimed however, with no evidentiary backing and in the face of her testimony to the contrary, that she asked for it. Like, they actually said that. That she wanted to be punched and sodomized while she unconscious. Again, these were arguments. There was no evidence presented to support such claims." ...

    "As I noted at the time, I know of no legal theory whatsoever that allows for someone to punch and sodomize an unconscious person. The judge, however, said that one can do anything one wants to an unconscious person as long as the unconscious person didn’t explicitly say one could not do so beforehand. That sort of 'opt-out' instead of 'opt-in' consent is not the law and cannot be the law, especially when it involves an unconscious person because how can an unconscious person change their mind or say anything? When there was zero discussion about that head of time, the baseline HAS to be “you cannot punch or sodomize an unconscious person.” It’s preposterous to say otherwise. Unless, of course, you were the judge in the restraining order hearing." ...

    "Here’s how the 'sexual assault' part of the Joint Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault and Child Abuse Policy is defined...:

    Sexual assault refers to a range of behaviors, including a completed nonconsensual sex act, an attempted nonconsensual sex act, and/or nonconsensual sexual contact. Lack of consent is inferred when a person uses force, harassment, threat of force, threat of adverse personnel or disciplinary action, or other coercion, or when the victim is asleep, incapacitated, unconscious or legally incapable of consent.

    Under that provision, if Major League Baseball concludes that Trevor Bauer did anything sexually to the woman while she was unconscious, the definition of “sexual assault” under the policy has been met and Bauer must be suspended."

  15. jte21

    Bauer, it turns out, likes rough sex.

    What Bauer likes isn't the issue here. It's what his partner liked. And consented to. And she turned out not to like the getting beat up part of the rough sex as much as him.

    This is one of those issues perhaps, where the laws as currently written are difficult to apply to a complicated situation and IANAL. But the Dodgers *do* have a choice here -- keep a guy with a personal reputation as a major asshole and (we know now) penchant for domestic violence on the roster, or buy out his contract and cut him loose. Plaschke's absolutely right. The organization needs to disown his ass and disown it now.

    Oh, and of course Bauer is an outspoken Trump supporter. No surprise there.

  16. tango

    Frankly, I would not be surprised if Bauer never pitches in the majors again; whichever team he pitches for is going to get a LOT of crap and many not view it as worth it.

    Allied to this... there almost certainly will be a lot of people who people who say, based on what we now know, no major league team should let him pitch for them. The same folks who say that would say he is unfit to be a baseball coach or a baseball executive or scout. Well, what is he supposed to do for the rest of his life? How does he make a living? What are all these people who are cancelled supposed to do with their lives when the career field in which they have excelled and trained for pretty much all their lives is closed to them? Especially in a case like this where there is a good chance that all Bauer did was to have kind of nasty sex with other consenting adults.

    1. Laertes

      That's a question one could ask, I suppose.

      How did you come to decide that, of all the questions this incident raises, was the most that struck you as the most interesting and urgent?

      1. tango

        Never said it was the most urgent/interesting thing about this article -- those are your words, so I have no answer for you there.

        That said, I do think that it is relevant and significant in the larger sense to ask if we want as a society to cancel a person's life over an allegation that, best as I can tell, is a he said/she said issue. I don't think that ruining peoples' lives on such grounds is how we should be doing things. Even dicks like Bauer deserve fair treatment.

        1. Laertes

          There are at least three people intimately involved in this story. One was savagely abused. One was abused and received death threats. The third perpetrated the abuse and made the threats.

          And the most interesting question to you is: Where's that third one, already fantastically wealthy, going to get his next paycheck?

          You've got some soul-searching to do. Give some thought to why it is that your perspective on these events centers primarily on the perp and his well-being.

          1. tango

            1) Again, you claim that I say the most interesting question is what happens to the accused individual when I did no such thing. Only that it is a question worth considering. Sigh.

            2) For the best evaluation of the system, I hope that you don't mind if I trust the findings of the judge who declined to issue a restraining order and the prosecutor who declined to prosecute the issue. They are trained legal professionals who have heard all the evidence available, which I suspect that you are not and did not.

            3) Perhaps you should give some thought as to why you are so morally patronizing.

        2. TheMelancholyDonkey

          This isn't a case of "he said/she said." It's a case of "she said/he took the 5th Amendment, but his lawyer confirmed in court many of the accusations."

  17. johngustafson3

    Bauer will almost certainly receive a suspension from MLB. Yankees pitcher Domingo German slapped his wife at a charity event and received an 81 game suspension or half a season.

    The Dodgers could try and release him following the suspension but Bauer is owed 64 mil over the next two seasons. He would not be paid during the suspension.

    As has been noted, the Dodgers could try and cite a morals clause in his contract to try and void it. But seeing as Bauer has not been legally charged with any crime, he would most certainly file a grievance under which he may lose a small fraction of his money.

    I would say chances are good he pitches for LAD following his suspension. They just owe him too much money.

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