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Joe Biden takes on Donald Trump

Here's the address on democracy that Joe Biden delivered today. It's about half an hour long. Go ahead and watch the whole thing and then tell me if Biden seems cognitively limited. There are a few minor stutters here and there, but cognitively he's fine.

Skip ahead to 5:30 if you want to get directly to his attacks on Donald Trump for trying to overturn the 2020 election. For example, there was this about all the court cases: "The legal path just took Trump back to the truth: I won the election and he was a loser." Or, on Trump's laughter about the assault on Paul Pelosi: "What a sick—" with the f-word only barely left unsaid. Or: "When he visited a cemetery, he called dead soldiers suckers and losers."

37 thoughts on “Joe Biden takes on Donald Trump

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    2. Jasper_in_Boston

      Awesome speech. Unfortunately, he is talking to the choir.

      Pretty much.

      It's fine to kick of the campaign with something like this, but the plain reality is not enough persuadable voters put the safety of our democratic norms on the same plane as the price of gas.

      I do think there's an economic critique that can be made of Trump that will appeal to a lot of voters. Something like "He cut taxes for the rich while yours went up. Tried to kill Obamacare. Blocked efforts to provide affordable insulin. He has a lot history of not caring about ordinary folks going back to the days when he was stealing their hard-earned tuition dollars or jacking up their rent yada yada."

      Something like that. Paint him as the rich, corrupt as fuck prick who has never given a fig for ordinary people save to the extent he could pick their pockets. This last part, I think, might be especially effective because not only is it true, but (more importantly) it's believable: Trump himself loves to imply that obeying the law or being decent is for "suckers" and that the only thing that matters is coming out on top (that some people end up getting harmed is all this doesn't concern Trump in the least).

      1. iamr4man

        The people he needs to persuade at the moment are voters who are disheartened and think he is too old. People who see him speaking well about things they believe and care about with authority and conviction are more likely to be energized to support him. This speech is an excellent start.

        1. Jasper_in_Boston

          ...more likely to be energized to support him. This speech is an excellent start.

          I thought it was a perfectly nice speech to kick things off with, sure! But that message isn't likely to get the job done. I know the notion that people need to be "energized" to turn out and vote is appealing. I get it! But there's almost no evidence to support this idea.

          Persuasion of the modest number of persuadable voters is what will win or lose this election.

          1. HokieAnnie

            It's needs to be both not or - Persuasion is a crap shoot, the numbers so tiny and so irrational within the group where as the group that would vote for you but for a basket of logistical reasons, ease of voting reasons or disheartened reasons is fairly large but not always located where you need the votes.

    1. lower-case

      according to the new fox poll's cross tabs, 85% of self-identified lying sacks of shit say they'll vote for trump

      the other 15% are lying about it

    2. iamr4man

      I wish reporters who question DeSantis and Haley would ask them if they agree with Trump that people who died for our country are suckers and losers. If they say they don’t believe Trump said that they should be asked if they think John Kelly is a liar and would they be willing to say that to his face.

  1. Adam Strange

    One of the reasons I read this blog is that there is so much truth backed up by facts here.

    I just can't find this anywhere else.

    Man, the world seems to be going to hell, and the fact that people are voting for Trump is Exhibit A.

  2. Jim Carey

    If you can vote in 2024, and you are not voting for Joe Biden, then you are voting, except that you're voting for the end of civilization and what is likely to be a new dark age that our species may not survive. If that's not what you believe, then you have not been paying attention.

  3. Dana Decker

    Superb speech. I said to a friend, "Where has this guy been hiding the last three years?" Reply was "Didn't want to peak too soon?"

    The speechwriter that penned "Trump is trying to steal history. The same way he tried to steal the election", should get a bonus. Two words, "steal history" are crisp, straightforward, and memorable.

    1. Salamander

      Where has "Sleepy Joe" been? Trying to convince rabid, irrational Republicans in the House and Senate to do something for, ya know, the American people. Doing his job while holding the weakest of hands. Trying to put back the badly broken federal machinery after the Defendant trashed as much of it as he could, and stole even more as he luxuriously winged off in Air Force One to his retirement resort.

      Joe's a work horse, not a show pony. They need to start emphasizing THAT, too!

  4. Chondrite23

    Most speeches seem to be crafted to cover a lot of bases, like the state of the union speech. However, this was laser focused on saving democracy in the US. It was a great speech. I listened to the whole thing live and loved every bit of it. Hopefully this will be replayed, in parts, in commercials going forward. It took a long time after the attempted overthrow of the government for leaders to step up and speak the truth.

  5. D_Ohrk_E1

    Cut a bunch of ads w/ excerpts from that speech and distribute now. Remind people who Trump is (an insurrectionist) and what the GOP are (cowards).

  6. ruralhobo

    Okay, he's not too old to speak well. Phew. But that was a scripted speech. Now the thinking fast and the Gaza parts and maybe he'll make it.

    1. Jim Carey

      Age is not a must-have criterion. The must-have "POTUS" criterion is wisdom, which involves knowing that a POTUS serves the country's long-term interest, and not the short-term interest of the current POTUS.

      It's like the Buccaneers choosing the starting QB for Superbowl 55. Do you go with the old guy, or do you go with the 5 year old lying on his back yelling and screaming at the top of his lung with arms and legs flaying in the air because he wanted a chocolate bar and his mom said no.

      1. zaphod

        Age might not be a must-have criterion for you and me, but is for a lot of people. Image matters. Image matters too much, but that's the world we live in.

        Regardless of how good a president you think Biden has been, the trick is to get elected. He barely did that in 2020 when Trump's odiousness was fresh in people's minds and he was still on the young side of 80.

        His candidacy is taking a huge chance with the democracy he claims to value. He will have to come from behind this time. He should have never decided to run again

    2. roux.benoit

      Right, I will put YOU in front of a teleprompter and give this 36 minutes speech on live TV in front of an audience, see how YOU sound. The only way a speech like this sounds good is because he understands what he is saying and lots of it is probably sentences that he wrote himself.

    3. Bardi

      "Now the thinking fast and the Gaza parts and maybe he'll make it."

      I believe President Biden does not have to "think fast" because his experience level leaves donnie in the dust. Besides, thinking fast may or may not be a good thing, depending.

      I am impressed how he has changed direction on the Gaza situation, showing his ability to observe and think through bad situations.

  7. NealB

    Biden's the best president of our lifetime. Maybe not the best of his lifetime, but for most of the rest of us, the best. I've found his calm certainty in speeches reassuring since he won the election in 2020. And his focus on getting back to normal (that being whatever it was before Trump got the job in 2016) exactly the right message every time.

    1. wvmcl2

      I agree and I say the same every time it comes up - he's the best president of my lifetime. Joe Biden wakes up every day thinking about how he can make life better for his fellow Americans and the world. Meanwhile, Trump wakes up every morning thinking about his own ass.

      What a horrible coincidence of history that Biden chose not to run in 2016 because of his son's cancer. He probably would have prevailed in the primaries (with Hillary as running mate) and easily beaten Trump in November. What a different world we would be living in now!

  8. tinbox

    But what's the source of that derogatory Trump quote about soldiers? Is it anonymous...and did it come to us from neocon Jeff Goldberg? Sad.

    1. RZM

      There are mutliple stories about Trump making derogatory or denigrating comments about our soldiers from multiple sources including John Kelly and they are very much in character with statements he made publicly like the ones about McCain who he described as a loser because he lost the 2008 election but when questioned about it .... well, let's go the vidoe tape: "
      "I never liked him much after that, because I don't like losers."

      Amid audience laughter, the moderator, Republican pollster Frank Luntz, then interjected, "But he's a war hero!"

      Trump responded, "He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured."

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