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Legitimate. Political. Discourse.

Republicans are desperately trying to pretend that their censure of Reps. Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger was no how, no way, motivated by approval of violent insurrection on January 6. But they can "clarify" all they want. Here's the relevant clause of the censure resolution:

The New York Times reports that the language of the censure was "carefully negotiated in private among party members," and I have no reason to doubt that. So with all the time in the world and a gimlet eye on the wording, they decided to simply call the January 6 insurrection "legitimate political discourse," full stop—just like Donald Trump wanted them to.

Now they want to backpedal and claim that of course they were only talking about the peaceful folks who didn't break into the Capitol. It's just bullshit and no one should fall for it.

45 thoughts on “Legitimate. Political. Discourse.

  1. MontyTheClipArtMongoose

    Ronna Rmoney needs to put her party's money where its mouth is & ask for the liberation of Cesar Sayoc, Jr. He was progenitor of Jake Angeli's American dream.

  2. DFPaul

    “Defund the police” you say?

    The other option is a party which says beating the police to death with flagpoles and fire extinguishers is “legitimate “.

    November you say? Can’t come soon enough.

    1. MontyTheClipArtMongoose

      It's like when a gang member leaves his or her crew -- dude gets jumped. Those US Capitol Police left their bois hanging, choosing to enable joebiden's dementocracy rather than push for Trump's rightful reinstallation. They turned their back on who they were, & turncoats get a beating.

  3. Spadesofgrey

    Republicans are screwing up here. Basically they are trying to say that 95% of the protesters didn't take part in the capital side of it, yes very true. Then they try to say the criminals were not "real" Republican members........ok. That is why Bush loving supporters were part of the group among Libertarians, Qnon scammed ex-Democrats, Christian Zionists(Republicans). Basically the whole Trump coalition was involved in some form of offense in the "insurrection" except Reagan/ Laf's Dems who only supported Trump on single issues.

    Republicans can't think short term, but here we are. Short term pandering on a coalition that if it loses Reagan/Laf dems, is electorally dead. Much like the Obama coalition, a thinly created political group. Post civil war alliance or New Deal Coalition, it ain't.

    The Trump family needs to cash in and bribe the states for their past cons.

    There is no Republican party after Trump unless they make up with jilted
    voters.

  4. Jasper_in_Boston

    I continue to be gobsmacked at the reaction of you progs to the specter of massive cheating by the Democrat Party.

    What was President Trump supposed to do, just hand over the keys to the White House to Cheatin' Joe without so much as a word of protest?

    That election was the biggest theft in history.

      1. MontyTheClipArtMongoose

        If Obama White House staff had littered the West Wing with porno on the way out, like Bill Climpton's team did to Bush-43, El Jefe may have had more respect for the previous regime.

    1. Salamander

      He got in plenty of "words of protest." He also got his time in court, over and over and over again, on at least sixty occasions.

      Too bad he had no evidence to back up his loserly whines. No evidence at all. Even judges he had appointed to the bench himself! threw out all of his cases.

    2. Bardi

      Are you talking about the 2016 election?

      For 2020, it looks to me that nearly every instance of "cheating" can be laid at the feet of the GOP. As I have said time and again, any election audit should include every county and not be restricted to just a few "chosen" areas.

  5. cld

    Just saw the Olympics opening ceremony.

    Did I mis-overhear this?

    When the chorus of children are singing on the ice is there a line about 'thousands of snowflakes competing for space'?

  6. cld

    'legitimate political discourse'

    Could anything better illustrate the complete failure of conservatism, in every possible way?

    They are not a political party, they're organized crime.

    1. RadioTemotu

      “What is politics without morality but organized crime?”
      Badly paraphrased (and recalled even more poorly) but credit to St Augustine

  7. Salamander

    Legitimate political discourse/protest: attacking Capitol policemen with their own weapons and with American flags on poles; breaking and entering then robbing Congressional offices; defecating and rubbing it all over the walls; setting up a gallows and striding through the building yelling for the Vice President and Speaker of the House's heads. Et cetera.

    Criminal rioting and vandalism: Walking down the middle of the street holding signs and singing or chanting.

    Taken from The 21st Century Republican Dictionary.

  8. jamesepowell

    Every Sunday will invite Republicans on to lie. Not one host will challenge them. Chuck Todd will agree with them.

    The NYT will bury the story and continue to hype the "bad economy" stories.

  9. CaliforniaDreaming

    Something must crack in people's mind when they become politicians because there's something I never understood. All someone had to do, just one time with him was something like, and note, I'm not saying I'm good at this, just saying,

    "Hey, you, the draft-dodging piece of S@@@! Yeah, you, 'tiny hands', with the bad feet! The guy who can't walk down a flight of stairs! Seriously, you can't walk down a flight of stairs Mr 48 BMI! Guess the clown show isn't just your fake hair, it's the tiny little boy inside, the sad pathetic fraud...."

    Just one R on that stage to have some backbone, do something. Not one did! And they still won't.

    Hilary could have done it too. Called him out when he was crawling down her back on the stage. Straight up got in his face. Told him to sit his ass down and let her talk. Landslide!

    Or one of those Europeans when Trump pushed himself to the front. "Hey, a******......" and threw him down. Sure, international incident, but worth it.

    Trump gets away with this crap not because he's something special, or smart, or tough, he's none of that, he gets away with it because everyone else is just so goddamn pathetic.

    1. Jasper_in_Boston

      C'mon, man. That's crazy. Stronger communication from this or that candidate wouldn't obviate the reality that tens of millions of Americans liked what Trump was selling. I don't state this to be pessimistic or nihilistic, but it's important we're clear-eyed as to what we're up against. Hence my (faux) trolling above: millions of Americans sincerely believe the election was stolen, and millions more probably don't believe that but think a coup was justified because Democratic governance is illegitimate or unconstitutional or just plain terrible for the country.

      The situation isn't hopeless. But it is dire.

        1. Jasper_in_Boston

          Probably. But also both. I've seen too much footage of MAGA rubes not to believes that some of these people sincerely believe Democrats stole the election. (What that percentage is I couldn't hazard a guess.)

          If they're really all lying, there's no reason to pay Meryl Streep nine million a picture.

  10. Justin

    To me, republicans are the enemy. I avoid them. I don’t want to know them. I don’t want to work with them. I don’t give a crap about them. If forced to engage with one, I’ll tell them to go away and drop dead.

    There are important implications to this view. If I consider half the population around me to be the enemy, why would I want to do anything to help them? There really isn’t point in supporting this government if it acts to enable my enemy. Why would I do that? And so I will not.

    1. aldoushickman

      "To me, republicans are the enemy. I avoid them. . . . I consider half the population around me to be the enemy . . . "

      Thank you, as ever, for your contribution, Ivan. The U.S. isn't breaking up, so please tootle off and peddle your psy-ops pessimism someplace else.

    2. KenSchulz

      Yeah, don’t pay income tax, Justin, it just supports the military-industrial complex. There’s no Internet in the Big House, so we’ll be spared your tedious, repetitive comments. Assuming you really do reside here, not in St. Petersburg.

  11. sonofthereturnofaptidude

    The majority of active Republican have approved of political violence by their side by their inaction. The polls have confirmed it, and the RNC has added its formal approval, too.

    All that's left is for the GOP political violence to start again.

  12. Kalimac

    They can't be talking about the people who didn't break into the Capitol, because they're complaining about what they call Democratic persecution of these innocent actors. But nobody is prosecuting (let alone persecuting) the protesters who -didn't- enter the Capitol.

    1. KenSchulz

      Trying to discredit the 1/6 committee before the evidence of conspiracy by Republican members of Congress starts coming to light …

      1. Salamander

        Yes. Just like that loser guy tried to discount the results of the election A YEAR BEFORE IT WAS HELD. And "Butcher Bill" Barr tried to distort and discount the results of the Mueller Investigation before he released (some of) the report.

        Pre-poisoning. It's the Republican way.

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