How is Donald Trump's big rally at Madison Square Garden going? Looks like it's gonna be a barn burner. Here's an early update:
Speaking before Trump at Madison Square Garden, comedian Tony Hinchcliffe says: “These Latinos love making babies, there’s no pulling out, they cum inside, just like they do to our country”
Calls Puerto Rico “floating garbage island”
Joke abt black people “carving watermelons”
— Christopher Mathias (@letsgomathias) October 27, 2024
Speaker at Trump event on Kamala Harris: She is the devil.. she is the Antichrist pic.twitter.com/vm6MVfxoSR
— Acyn (@Acyn) October 27, 2024
“Hillary Clinton.. what a sick son of a bitch. The whole fucking party, a bunch of degenerates..” pic.twitter.com/paTF8r9AdR
— Acyn (@Acyn) October 27, 2024
The Democrats really need to cool down the rhetoric.
Yes they should be the party of surrender.
MrPug was definitely being sarcastic.
It's amazing how economic anxiety is expressed.
+1
Imagine how bad it would be if things were worse than Trump says they are. I shudder to even consider it.
US year-on-year rolling economic stats:
Inflation rate = 2.4%
GDP growth rate = 3.0%
Unemployment rate = 4.1%
If only those anxious voters knew.
The Onion nailed it with "Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over!" https://theonion.com/bush-our-long-national-nightmare-of-peace-and-prosperi-1819565882/ (note that The Onion is not an actual news site)
So, just as racist as the Nazi one?
The one admired by Papa Drumpf, who admired both the Nazis & the Klan- despite the family having converted to being Swedish?
On the lighter side of today’s doings NYC: https://apnews.com/article/timothee-chalamet-lookalike-dune-7acc6bda7612cb72eca31d2cc0106028
Wow. If the projection were any stronger, they could be movie theaters.
MSG is supposedly not good for you
I guess this is one "woke" thing that is correct!
Republicans At Rally Express
Forceful Points Of View
Why Democrats Should Listen
A Times Perspective
DonOld Trump held a Nazi rally at MSG. Here's why that's bad news for Kamala Harris
NYT
Despite what they might say, the GOP has long eschewed Jesus and His gospel of love, to embrace Hate.
But finally, any pretension about their intentions have been ripped off. Good for them to come clean and tell the truth about how they really feel about God's children.
The pro life party.
Kamala should use use these examples quickly in the appropriate areas.
Amazing how much these people will spew, never worrying that not everyone maligned will fail to hear & see this.
The media have never been able to hear the dog whistles, and now they apparently don't understand what are blatant racist statements - what they claim to hear are normal policy statements. Why wouldn't Republicans amp up the racism?
Her best campaign ads are Trump's own words (and Vance's). Make a montage of Trump spewing his vilest rhetoric and ask people "Is this what you want?"
They really hate us. Win or lose, it’s time to adjust the policy agenda of the Democratic Party. If Union members vote for trump, why should we do them any favors? There are lots of examples like this. Leave them to their own situations. The coalition has fractured to the point that it makes no sense to advocate for certain groups.
"The coalition has fractured to the point that it makes no sense to advocate for certain groups."
That's advice for ensuring that it fractions even more. If union voters vote for Trump, abandoning union voters in a fit of emotional pique just ensures that *more* union voters pull the lever for Vance for DeSantis or whoever in 4 years.
The takeaway is to figure out _why_ people are voting for Trump, and then convince them to vote for a better candidate. Which is certainly tricky (esp. if a lot of them are apparently voting based on some combination of racism, conspiracy theories, and blood-and-soil nationalism), but the alternative is preemptive defeat.
This campaign is demonstrating that the coalition is gone. Michele Obama asked yesterday, “why is this race even close?” It’s close because lots of people have abandoned the democratic party. I won’t pretend to know why, but they have.
Yes, yes, I know--your schtick/conclusion is "why bother"/preemptively giving up.
"It’s close because lots of people have abandoned the democratic party"
It won't swing things the other way if the democratic party takes your advice and then abandons the rest of them.
In a recent article in the NYT, the author and scholar Robert Paxton was cited for arguing that fascism is not an ideology, not based on convincing people of an ideology. It is purely based on those emotional appeals you cite. Very difficult to wean people off of those; you can’t reason people out of their feelings. One really needs whatever deprogramming approach works with cultists.
Agreed that it is very difficult; I'm quite concerned about Trump and Vance's blood-and-soil approach, because it augers a zero sum politics where either nativists or pluralists are in power (whereas a politics that roughly coincides with working class versus owning class isn't zero sum, because policies can lead towards growth such that both sides can be better off).
I dunno how to address that (and god bless Harris for doing her best to try). But it being difficult is no reason to, as Justin suggests, give up and/or actively torch the rest.
Even though the Teamster national leadership refused to endorse either candidate, there were a few locals that did endorse Harris. Unfortunately not my local.
No they don't, haven't you been listening? They're just joking.
(Just joking, you're right, they really do hate us.)
You may remember the headline in The Atlantic with the highly provocative title "Trump Is Literally Hitler." Elon Musk tweeted the thing to his 200 million and left the post up for twelve hours. The reason he finally took it down: the article was never published in the magazine. It was fake.
The episode prompted Philip Bump to write a column in the Washington Post with this clarification in the title: "No, Trump is not literally Hitler."
A rebuttal to a fake story in one of the nation's once-great newspapers. I can understand why the casual news consumer may be a bit confused about what the hell is going on.
Anyway, this all happened about three or four days ago. Today, it looks like Bump might need to write a correction. His argument "Donald Trump is not Adolf Hitler" may leave readers with the wrong impression. And The Atlantic may want to issue a statement: "We stand by the fake headline after all."
That will clear up the confusion.
I'm pretty sure that you didn't actually read Bump's piece, because you badly misrepresent it. Yes, the third paragraph begins, "No, Donald Trump is not Adolf Hitler," but the rest of that paragraph is, "He has, happily, not engaged in either the systematized slaughter of a population or launched an effort to subjugate the world."
The rest of the column includes quotes like this:
"But, as a number of his former top aides have said in recent weeks, he views the constraints of democracy with disdain and embraces an approach to power that checks the boxes of fascism."
"So in response to a question centered on the ridiculousness of the idea that Trump’s politics mirror fascism, Trump describes his opponents as “vicious” and “dirty” and makes a false claim about how the Biden administration has “weaponized” the government — as manifested, for example, in the special counsel bringing charges against Trump for attempting to subvert the 2020 election. Which are the sorts of things autocrats say."
"Trump’s supporters don’t want to address the central issue, which is that Trump’s approach to power much more closely resembles an autocratic, fascist leader than an American, democratic one. "
So, after saying that Trump is not literally Hitler, Bump repeatedly says that he is an authoritarian and close to being a fascist.
https://wapo.st/4hmDuNG
Of course, I'd read Bump's column. My comment was not intended to be an analysis of the distinctions he made. I just used a quote or two for a point I was making. That said, no one really thinks Trump is responsible for the deaths of tens of millions or for the utter destruction of a continent like Hitler left Europe. (Not yet, at least. That kind of stuff takes time.)
Your reply seems to be a very dry, analytical take on a comment that was not intended to be a dry, analytical response to the MSG event. I'm not sure what to say. It's not a reading comprehension problem. Maybe just lighten up.
I appreciate TheMelancholyDonkey's comment, because I was certainly about to mentally lump that article with others it apparently does not belong with. You did mischaracterize it.
Your reply seems to be a very dry, analytical take on a comment that was not intended to be a dry, analytical response to the MSG event. I'm not sure what to say. It's not a reading comprehension problem. Maybe just lighten up.
Maybe try being honest. You're using exactly the same defense as the conservatives saying that Tony Hinchcliffe was "just joking."
"Miami-based private equity manager Grant Cardone, speaking at the rally, ratcheted up the rhetoric as he condemned Vice President Kamala Harris and her "pimp handlers."
After speaking about the potential taxation of unrealized capital gains, Cardone called Harris, the former senator and state attorney general and the current vice president, "the least qualified candidate for any political office in American history."
What Cardone just said was screw the little people and take care of the 1%
AND everyone in the GOP is avoiding the fact that Social Security was taxed in the first place by Saint Ronnie Reagan.
Funny how that is.......
Never mind the fact that the majority of Trumps base will never pay tax on unrealized capital gains. Its ridiculous.
It really is hard to imagine a more sickening display of racism, bigotry and hate. I really, really don’t want to hear anyone say they “didn’t know”. People who vote for Trump are voting for what’s happening at MSG tonight.
Not that I overflowed with respect for Tulsi Gabbard, Vivek Ramaswamy or Mike Johnson, but that they took the stage after those obscene and disgusting warmups, shows what deplorables they are.
Where was their appeal to tone down the rhetoric within their own party? Fucking hypocrites. Harris called Trump a fascist because that's exactly what he is. Trump calls Harris all sorts of words ending in ist because he has no idea what any of those words mean.
And Doctor Phil, haha. I used to think he was level headed. No more.
I look forward to McConnell and Johnson... ok, I'll come in again...
Like the Monty Python reference!
Current headline on CNN.com:
"Trump Loyalists Spew Racist, Vulgar Attacks at NYC Rally"
So maybe this breaks through?
NYT: Election Live Updates: Racist Remarks and Insults Mark Trump’s Madison Square Garden Rally
Trump has a hard ceiling of support, Harris does not.
That's why this is all about motivating your side, de-motivating the other.
The problem with relying on spewing hate is that it's like a narcotic. The recipients get addicted to it, but they also develop a tolerance for it so you have to keep upping the dosage to get the same effect.
Yah, we've all been watching this happening for the past eight years.
Or longer, if you want to include Rush Limbaugh's career.
I've hated things and people at times through out my life. Its exhausting, a drain on my conscience. I get over it. Some people thrive on it, seem to enjoy it. I find it an entirely reprehensible way to exist.
The MAGA movement is hate! Trump has no real policies. He only has hate filled rants and threats. I think my eyes have been opened. The veil disguising genuine hostility, hatred, ignorance and quite frankly genuine stupidity of his supporters has been fully removed. I can no longer deny reality. People I once though were decent humans have turned out to be nothing of the sort. We are seeing just how awful a good percentage of Americans really are. We can thank Trump for exposing the ugly underside of America for all to see. "When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and waving the cross." With a bad comb over and a fake spray on tan. I hope we survive Trump. I have no doubt the price will be high.
"We are seeing just how awful a good percentage of Americans really are."
I don't know about that. I think it's more they have been duped by a master, populist demagogue. When someone you respect lies over and over to you right to your face, it is hard for you to believe they would do that. Chavez duped Venezuelans into voting for him too. And Hitler was awfully popular in Germany.
Note how quickly Germans snapped out of it once the war ended. Most Venezuelans know better now too, but they can’t get fair elections due to Maduro.
Hopefully, Trumpism and MAGA will be seen in the future as an extreme aberration. It’s rare a sociopath like Trump can gain such a following. Personally, I’ve never known anyone even remotely like Trump. He has some deep, horrible flaw that drives him.
Trump is a petty con man. If people believe him and respect him they have to be as dumb as a bag of rocks. Germans snapped out of it because their country lay in ruins. They had no choice but to come to terms with what they did or allowed to happen. The Nazi leadership that escaped never snapped out of it. Dr. Joseph Mengele remained a Nazi true believer till his death. If he loses, the MAGA movement will crawl back under their rock and go from openly saying and advocating horrible things to saying it under their breath to their fellow assholes while looking over their shoulder. It may be an aberration, but its always with us. All it takes is a person like Trump to make it bubble to the surface. Trump is a horrible human being. His followers are not that much different.
"Germans snapped out of it because their country lay in ruins. They had no choice but to come to terms with what they did or allowed to happen. " I hope you're not suggesting that America will have to undergo something similar for Trumpism to go away. "Even if he loses" ain't gonna be enough.
It depends on how bad our collective situation gets. My point is Germans didn't snap out of it due to some great epiphany that what they did was wrong. They had their reckoning forced upon them due to losing. If Trump wins it'll just embolden his followers. If he loses it will embolden them even more. Our reckoning is coming. When and how bad and what shape is the question
Vance visited our town a few weeks ago. I couldn’t attend the rally but did run across the pre-rally “Trump Train” tailgate outside the local shopping mall. As I walked by, the live band was playing “La Grange”. Then they stopped and the singer started ranting about kiddie diddlers and the Illuminati. Then they moved on to “Running with the Devil”.
I am not sure if there is some really deep irony there, or if that are just too stupid to notice the insanity of that sequence.
Ok, I lied. It’s the latter.
Reminds me of people at his rallies watching Trump do the Tug Job Tango while listening to YMCA. They just don't see it.
After reading this I thought that I am actually relieved that my parents are both gone. Dad was a WWII vet and Mom a 25-year government worker. Both my parents were totally supportive of the civil rights movement. They advocated for women's rights. They would have been so alarmed and disturbed to see the complete breakdown of human compassion and dignity that the Trump campaign advocates. As kids we had do unto others and respect and compassion for others modeled. My parents were encouraged every time there was a civil rights victory or forward movement. They would be disgusted and devastated. But I must admit that as agnostics some of this would not have entirely shocked them. I cannot actually wrap my head around how base and demeaning the Trump campaign continues to be and there appears to be no "bottom". If Trump wins then there is a clear message - there are many people in this country that hold racist / sexist views, and this campaign has given them permission to out themselves. And I ask what kind of country do we want for our children?
Trump has never pretended to be anything other than what he is. A hate filled ignoramus. It appears that many of our fellow Americans have been wearing a mask to hide the fact that they are just like Trump.
I'm sure that you, like me, know many Trump devotees. They're not reprehensible people. They're kind to others, they give to charities. But if you spend any time talking to them, you will inevitably encounter a streak of racism below the surface. They will insist with their last breath that they're not racist, but it shows through clearly. Want to know what drives the Trump movement? Racism. Full stop. Everything else is just window dressing.
No, not totally. But that's the worst part. They seem like decent people then they go and say something so stupid and hateful that they make me lose any respect I had for them before. With family its especially painful to hear. "They will insist with their last breath that they're not racist, but it shows through clearly." I know this all too well. Its usually consists of letting everyone know how many black people they know, usually to a black person, or stories about how the black family next door had it better than they did. Of course what usually precedes the racism is the statement "I don't wanna sound racist". Or "I know I'm not allowed to say this but...". It's so damned aggravating.
Don't forget the misogyny.