Last night Donald Trump's confused mind burped up the following:
They built eight chargers at a certain location, toward the Midwest. Eight chargers for $9 billion? Think of them as a tank for filling up your gas. Think of it. They spent $9 billion on eight chargers, three of which didn’t work.
Idiot. He couldn't even get the meme right. The meme is that the feds approved $7.5 billion three years ago for EV charging stations and so far only eight have been built.
This whole thing got started by Politico, and it's so tiresome I want to scream. The plan from the start was to have 500,000 charging stations by 2030. Why so long? Because the money was allocated by state and wasn't allocated all at once.
The facts are simple. In November 2021 the Bipartisan Infrastucture Law approved two programs for an EV charging network. NEVI is the main program, and it got $5 billion over five years. CFI is a smaller program meant to fill in gaps in underserved areas, and it got $2.5 billion.
NEVI started up in February 2022. By August states had submitted plans for the first round of funding and in September the plans were approved. Notably, the plan is not to build charging stations willy nilly. The plan is to build a national network along approved corridors, mostly interstate highways. Here's what it will look like:
Once the plans were approved states got to work finding sites in the right areas and putting out construction bids. The first charging station was opened in Ohio in December 2023. As of a few months ago, here's where the states were at. Some are slower and others are faster:
Here's the full timeline for building out the network (future dates are approximate):
As you can see, there's nothing wrong with any of this. Funding has to be allocated to states each year; states have to find suitable sites; and then construction has to go ahead. This takes a while, granted, but it's all on schedule. There was never any intent to have thousands of charging stations ready to go by 2024.
It would have helped immensely if GM, Ford, VW, and Kia, et al hadn't bought into Elon's snake oil and ditched the perfectly acceptable CCS for Tesla's NACS. Now states have to decide, which "standard" should we build out? I guess NACS but none of the current electric cars except Teslas can actually use it.
There are converters. I have a Bolt, my husband has a Tesla, we share the same charger.
They work for level 2 chargers, they do not work for Tesla superchargers though there are apparently some supercharger locations that can support some non-Tesla cars with some adapters. For example, here is Lectron's disclaimer:
"CURRENTLY NOT COMPATIBLE: AUDI, BMW, CADILLAC, CHEVROLET, KIA, LUCID, MAZDA, MERCEDES, MINI, NISSAN, POLESTAR, PORSCHE, STELLANTIS, GM, TOYOTA, VOLKSWAGEN, VOLVO - STAY TUNED FOR UPDATES"
Yes, they didn't announce plans to be compatible until last year. And some of those have no plans to be compatible.
Completely unrelated to the fact that this funding requires CCS connectors and 3/4 of all long range EVs on the road in the US use NACS already.
Tesla superchargers mostly only work with vehicles they are programmed to work with. The issue is software, not hardware. There are adapters for CCS to NACS and for NACS to CCS, (although the Cybertruck apparently is designed so an adapter won't fit) but even with the adapter a Tesla supercharger will not charge your vehicle unless it "recognizes" it (except for a few of them which have been reprogrammed to be public).
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This is nonsense. The CCS standard connector is bad. It wears out much faster, is heavier, and consequently costs more than the NACS connector.
It used to be that the media would hound a candidate for lying/being ignorant of something like this.
It's the double standard that's been applied by the msm since 2016. Trumps lies hardly ever get the psuhback they deserve. The debate is a perfect example of this.
The MSM's response to this is more or less that fact-checking Trump or covering his gobsmacking ignorance of most any issue won't change anything and the MAGAts don't care, so it's sort of a waste of their time. That he's an insane fascist is just baked into the narrative: his supporters love it, the rest of us are terrified of it, so covering it isn't really going to generate clicks anymore.
It would if they bothered to do it when it was happening, rather than after they'd already given glowing coverage.
they wrote their pieces on the final nite of the convention based on the speech they received in advance, & never thought to watch & contrast it to the revisions & digressions trump made extemporaneously.
the lamestream jagoffs carried water for trump's "i'm a unifier, not a divider" rap.
then, 15 minutes into a 93 minute speech, he got going, namechecked "crazy nancy pelosi", & it was off to the election denial races.
i wonder if margaret brennan will express 1% of the disgust on this sunday's program over trump calling it deface the nation as she would have if some backbench democrat state legislator in wyoming or alabama had called it that.
I watched a bit of a BBC show about the media today. Naturally, they discussed recent events and the way media had reported on them. The entire discussion about their coverage of Trump was lost to me except one thing: a reporter from the New York Times (via Internet) said they had been concerned about "going after Trump" (presumably for all his lies) and had decided not to in order to "be fair". It's mind-numbingly stupid to think that NOT doing your job is somehow "fair".
They dropped the ball (intentionally) because they don't like Democrats on the tax issue, and they think Trump is too stupid to do much real lasting damage. They've chosen sides and it's endangering our entire nation and Western Civilization.
He's a genuinely stupid person who also happens to be a pathological liar. The fact that he is this close to becoming POTUS again is disturbing to say the least.
"You just don't know anyone as stupid as Donald Trump. Trust me, you don't"
-- Fran Lebowtiz
'Nobody could go wrong looking down on Donald Trump.'
---Fran Lebowitz
"Think of them as a tank for filling up your gas.". This is a perfect example of an idiot trying to explain e.v. chargers to other idiots.
Well, I don't know about you, but I always use a tank for filling up my gas--y'know, in my gas tank with the gas and the car, from a tank, and that's how an EC chargger works.
the providing a picture id to buy cereal piece.
Always remember that Donald Trump is worse than you think, even when you’ve taken into account that he’s worse than you think.
What's Elon thinking supporting a crackpot who wants to completely destroy the electric vehicle industry? Maybe it's a sign he essentially doesn't give a shit about Tesla anymore and wants to focus on cultivating the social media cesspool formerly known as Twitter and getting Trump to replace NASA with SpaceX? I'm sure Tesla shareholders would like to know...
It strongly appears that Musk doesn't care about Tesla any more, and views X as a REALLY expensive toy. The things he's done with X make almost no business sense but he seems to be enjoying himself. I think SpaceX is where his heart is.
‘He couldn’t even get the meme right.’ Now there’s a turn of phrase I could stand to see more of.
i guess the lizard brains would agree with this claim:
we've spent billions on the artemis program and elon's spacex hasn't put a single person on the lunar surface
Not only is SpaceX not ready to get to the Moon, most of the components aren't ready. And even the Orion capsule failed man-rating.
Doing things safely is hard.
Orion is not SpaceX. SpaceX's manrated capsule is Crew Dragon, which is doing just fine.
theringer basketball writer kevin o'connor has a jabberwocking burner?
or maybe:
they spent $9 billion and trump never built a single charger
putin spent a billion rubles and trump never built a single hotel in moscow
Yeah, but the ruble is such garbage devalued currency that a billion of them is only a bit more than eleven million dollars.
I noticed in his speech that he actually left room for electric vehicles by saying, in an aside, that they are ok but that people should have choice. You can bet that once elected he will:
Open public lands to drilling and mining
Brag about how he made America energy independent
Brag about how he, as only he could have, set up the charging network (it will continue after he is elected because Musk is giving him money)
Ultimately Trump doesn’t have a clue and doesn’t really care about EVs. Just look at his clueless speech about electric boats and sharks.
Kevin - I understand your frustration. When you say this, though:
An answer is that the process is fundamentally flawed. It is grandiose (500K stations!) and overly complicated, with diffuse responsibility and a timeline so extended that there is no pressure to deliver. Like ITER, or SLS, or any number of other government megaprojects (high speed rail anyone?), it will likely tottle along for a while, spending billions, before collapsing without much to show for it.
By way of comparison - Tesla's supercharger network was coast-to-coast within two years of the first chargers being installed. Now Tesla was operating under a different set of constraints, but the project got done...
wiki says tesla had 7 stations in 2012, 63 stations in 2013, 380 in 2014 (with about 10 connectors per station, numbers are global not just US)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Supercharger#Deployment
wiki also says 'coast to coast' means one specific route, not nationwide coverage
In January 2014, the first coast-to-coast corridor was completed: from Los Angeles to Chicago via South Dakota, then to New York City.
And this is a much more ambitious project. Every 25 miles is 120 stations from Boston to San Diego alone.
missouri woman spent 43 years in prison for a murder she didn't commit
the courts declared her innocent and ruled for her release, but the MO AG refused to release her
even more astounding, the actual murderer was a cop, and his brothers in blue withheld evidence and framed this woman
Evidence presented to Horsman showed that Holman’s pickup truck was seen outside Jeschke’s apartment, that he tried to use her credit card, and that her earrings were found in his home.
https://apnews.com/article/sandra-hemme-conviction-overturned-56831edcb2aa99b0430c0dbf0408dc5d
During Trumps long winded ramble that I tortured myself by watching as he stumbled into the EV comments, I mumbled " he is so stupid" my 4-year-old granddaughter piped up with "stupid is a bad word" - oh how I wanted to explain the concept of "exception" to this innocent child.
The exception is for misbehavior. He's lying, and refuses to admit it. That's why it's a bad word for anything else.
Your granddaughter is being misinformed. "Stupid" is a derogatory word, but that does not make it a "bad" word.
yeah - thanks for the "correction" how many 4 year olds are have you been around lately? Try telling that to the pre-school staff. Let's see you explain the word derogatory to a 4 year old ... some adults don't even know the definition of that word. I'm sure in a few years she will grasp the distinction you feel is so important.
Even if they don't know the words "derogatory" and "profane", most four year olds understand both concepts and the difference between them.
re: bigger electric grid
"Because electricity consumption continues to rise faster than the amount supplied by renewables, the gap to be filled is getting larger and larger, and the renewables transition is falling further and further behind...Electricity is not just the largest source of greenhouse gas emissions, but policymakers around the world have decided that the best way to decarbonize the economy is to make as many things as possible electric."
https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/price-wrong-brett-christophers/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3tmvqjfNPkTh3ioxddApb6WOzBfgZXBUzJJL07VC--jT8rkO_Tlz7iSbQ_aem_ZEBj3nUflyn0DvE7bikC-g
EVs are batteries and don't use peak power, and hence, are irrelevant to the grid's problem. They are, in fact, the solution.
As yet, EVs are not numerous enough to significantly affect grid peaks and valleys. This means that it's worth while to program EVs to charge during off-peak times. However, when there are 100 million EVs rather than just one million EVs, they will be able to create peak times. If 100 million EVs are all set up to start charging between midnight and 1:00 am., 1:00 am will become peak demand time.
Standard Level 2 chargers typically draw about 9 kilowatts. A million Level 2 chargers will draw 9 gigawatts. That's becoming significant. Ten million Level 2 chargers will draw 90 gigawatts, which is enough to stress a grid that is already trying to meet other demands, and enough to cause a peak in demand.
On the flip side, 100 million EVs wired for vehicle to grid constitute enormous storage, permitting peaks to be smoothed out if the grid is able to take advantage of all that storage.
I have no doubt that we will need more power (zero-carbon power, please) but probably not as much as the naysayers want to forecast.
Actually, for large parts of 2023 we only paid the meter rental fee ($7.49) for our power. Since we generated a lot of extra power into the grid from late March through October, we got credits that could be drawn down over this past winter. About the time the credits ran out about the end of February we started rebuilding our credits in March this year.
Giant battery farms are being installed in areas where wind and solar power can generate a lot of electricity to smooth load. Even Texas is getting on board with a number of projects - with the first one in North Texas coming on line a little over 2 years ago and others following.in 2023 and others moving into build stage in 2024.
The batteries are pre-built, usually self contained and weatherproofed, only require a slab to be bolted to, and lines run out to the grid.
Southwest Australia was one of the earliest big farms I read about (sometime in 2015 IIRC). In the winter it gets damn hot down there and that really reduces transmission capacity - unless you have a battery farm more local to the power demand. I imagine TX will discover that perk soon enough...
Load smoothing is most definitely not load bearing. No, providing for four hours of storage is not nearly enough. For all electric to be viable, your batteries are going to have to store a week's worth of energy for the entire continental USA. That's a lot of kilowatt-hours, and I've never seen, ever, any figures for plans that claim to do this.
"For all electric to be viable, your batteries are going to have to store a week's worth of energy for the entire continental USA"
Complete and utter nonsense. If there is an entire week in which the wind doesn't blow, the sun doesn't shine, the rivers don't flow, and the uranium doesn't fiss, across the entire continent, we'll be in the end of days and have way, way more to worry about than the power grid.
Christ almighty, do you likewise claim that air travel is impossible because we don't have a week's worth of backup airplanes ready, fueled, and waiting to go? Or that the only way for a shower to be viable is for there to be a week's worth of hot water backed up and ready to go? Or that housing isn't viable, because if suddenly all the inhabited houses, apartments, hotels, etc. in the US vanished, we don't have a backup supply in waiting for all 330 million of us?
+1
The big problem with electricity from renewable sources isn't building the generating capacity. It's building the transmission lines from the places that are best for generation but don't consume very much to the places that aren't so good for generation but need a lot of electricity.
And, as someone who works for an electric utility, I can assure you that the lefties shoulder a lot of blame for the inability to build more transmission lines.
Except in TX, where they (except for Austin) built an isolated grid, poorly designed NG pipelines that slushed up - restricting gas delivery to power plants, businesses and homes, unprotected coal piles sitting out in the open (can you say coalbergs), and at least one nuclear power plant that shut down because they didn't insulate their instrumentation.
And that was just early winter 2022!
They also struggled with major problems when it go hotter going in to June 2022.
Indeed they do. Of course, after you've talked to them a little while and actually they actually cite plans for permitting and construction (they seem to think the permitting process takes weeks instead of years, sometimes decades), you release that these people are not pro-renewable so much as they are anti-nuke. Rabidly so.
It's fascinating that this slip (nor Donald's dozens of others) isn't being spun as evidence of cognitive decline in an elderly man who is obviously too infirm to serve as President.
The power of the narrative!
If this same guy had been caught sleeping at his own convention then surely.....oh wait, no.... Doesn't fit the chosen storyline, nevermind.
But that's exactly the point: we ought to have a nominee who can (among other critiques) focus with maximum ferocity on Trump's cognitive decline and general lack of fitness for office. But you can't do that when Joe Biden's your nominee!
lol, MAXIMUMFEROCITY!!!
Yes, you are a good example of how those swept up in a good narrative will go to great lengths to fit and squeeze everything they see into that narrative.
And this is a perfect example- Trump misspeaks and is confused about a topic....the sheep insist that this is more evidence of Bidens frailty and lack of fitness.
lol
Trump‘s problems are obviously not an example of Biden‘s frailty. Biden‘s inability to attack Trump‘s vulnerabilities *are* an example of Biden‘s frailty. Which is why most rank and file Democrats and a growing number of Democratic leaders want him to step down. I strongly suspect Nancy Pelosi is a better gauge as to what is in the interest of the Democratic Party than you.
lol indeed.
Biden, the Biden admin and the overall Biden campaign have been going after Trump. Your message is stale and tired.
Hard to distinguish your talking points from those of the Trump campaign. Its usually game over when you do your opponents work for them.
Your approach is very different than that of Pelosi. Its a bit comical that you see yourself in the same boat in spite of your very different approaches.
When Trump slips, Pelosi does not see that as an opportunity to attack Biden....but you do. You're a bit of a nutcase.
What does 'focus with maximum ferocity' mean anyway? Specifically. Don't give us vague nebulosities; you need to list specific actions with specced requirements before I drop my belief that you have no idea what you're talking about. That belief, BTW, was considerably strengthened when you refused to reply to my comments explaining exactly why (political) polling is so unreliable these days.
There was never any intent to have thousands of charging stations ready to go by 2024.
So when people complain democrats don’t get credit for stuff they pass in congress… this is the answer. I know. It’s not fair.
The GOP has innovated in claiming *they* did all the things the Democrats did all the hard work doing, like infrastructure. Seems to work for them, maybe Dems should do the same. Might make the Republicans' heads explode.
It does work for them. I’m not sure what we would take credit for!
the gop congressman voting against the arra in 2009 & then going to the arra ribboncutting in his district piece.
A more effective/affordable ev batt would destroy the oil industry, so logic says they contribute heavily to the best congress money can buy. Besides funding any "Drill Baby Drill" candidate, I wonder if they don't also pay "incentives" to ev batt researchers- "Here's a LOT of money. Don't try too hard"
So your point is his mind is going and he needs to drop out, right?
Right?